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Saturday, January 12, 2013

The Dive Bar Welcomes: Anonymous Autism Mom

Just a reminder that I don't write Dive Bar posts! They are submitted to me by other folks who have something they'd like to say and need a safe place to say it. This post was submitted anonymously by somebody with something to say and I'm happy to provide her with a safe place to say it.



Abusing Stereotypes of Autism and Death

One of most disturbing myths I’ve encountered in the autism world, is the claim that parents of autistic children are more likely to kill their children, than parents of neurotypical children. This is simply untrue, the statistics do not support the claim. The causes of filicide are more deeply rooted and connected to mental health issues too, rather than having any connection with autism itself. So who keeps spreading this horrible idea that parents are eager to kill their autistic children, and why do they keep making this claim?

I hate to say it, but it’s almost always autistic self-advocates who continue this baseless and extremely damaging claim. I’ve seen it in multiple blog posts, and in many more comment sections. Why would they want to do this?

There’s a war of sorts between autistic adults and autism parents, over who has the “correct” view of what is best for autistic children. The “war,” however, is at the extremes of both groups: Those autistic adults who would rather see few or no interventions to address autistic behaviors, and those parents who are willing to try damaging or unproven interventions. However, both extreme groups get generalized to the larger whole, which makes it easier to target broad attacks on entire groups of people, rather than acknowledging that it is a few rather than the majority who hold to either extremes.

This broad targeting makes for more alarming writing, and attracts intensely concerned readers who “simply must do something!,” over to the writer’s cause. It’s really not that different from dropping propaganda on a confused and ill-informed public in war time: You make the enemy look as bad as possible, strike fear in people’s hearts, and try to get them to see you as their savior (and perhaps even buy your book while they’re at it, why not). The truth is less alarming and makes for less interesting reading. It’s really the same attraction held by conspiracy theories.

So it makes sense to make parents of autistic children look like they’d rather kill their kids than accept them, it’s a good way to tar the entire parenting population and make your own views seem like the only sensible alternative to such a naturally outrageous view. Some parents endorse the filicide narrative too, again because it supports their own agenda. Typically they use it to claim we wouldn’t be killing our kids if we had sufficient supports available to our families. As nice an agenda as that may be, using false and immensely harmful claims to reach that point is unacceptable. The ends do not justify the means. It also runs too close to the completely disproven Bettelheim approach to understanding autism: Treating parents of autistic children as some sort of evil group, merely by the fact that their children have autism.

Recently, when the Connecticut tragedy cast a long painful shadow on the autism community – when people decided autism must be connected with mass shootings – were there masses of parents of autistic children grabbing the chance to abuse the stereotype? Did you read multiple blog posts from the autism parenting community saying “yes, our children must be put to death or be institutionalized to stop this horror happening again.”? Or did you see multiple blog posts defending the innocence and beauty and gentleness of our children? Did you see the creation of “Autism Shines” by the autism parenting community, with the aim of countering the negative and incorrect violent stereotypes of autistic individuals? I saw the latter. The world did. The news did. Everyone did.

We didn’t abuse the unfounded stereotype of autism connected to violence to serve our own ends. We didn’t use it to belittle autism self-advocates and put them in their place so that our voices as parents would we heard louder than theirs in the future: “Oh you must let us drive the autism out of our kids so we can stop them becoming killers, oh you must let us find a cure to stop this horror ever happening again...”

But wait. There were two incidents – two, only two, out of hundreds – that I can recall where that did happen. Where a parent started a Facebook group calling all Aspergers people killers and demanding cure, and a blog post where a sister to an autistic man claimed the violence inherent in autism could be avoided if we adequately funded the autism community. Did other parents rally to their cause? The exact opposite, we fought tooth and nail to shut them down and have the pieces removed, we commented endlessly to set the record straight. Is that the behavior you expect of people who are more likely to kill their own children?

It seems to me there is a double standard here, in terms of abusing erroneous stereotypes of autism and death. That it is acceptable for some autistic adults to keep spreading a link between autism parents and murder, but it’s accepted by autism parents that we would never use the same dirty tactics to undercut the voice of the adult autistic population. We instead leapt to the defense of our children and all autistic individuals. So where is the outcry protecting us each time another extremist autistic self-advocate mindlessly links parents with killing autistic children..?

I would like to say that because the autism-parent-self-advocate war operates at the extreme ends, that they get seen for the extremes they are, and not treated as a general view of more mild or sensible individuals. But we are told all the time that we must hear all the perspectives of autism, hear the grown up autism voices, realize that their views aren’t extreme, just “different.” And in that lovely open-minded state, the extreme gets bundled in with the more logical and gentle views, and we get told they’re all equally worthy of our consideration, otherwise we are shutting down their unique voices. Even when the claims made by the extremists are not founded on evidence or reality, or are over-generalized in a way that damages the entire parenting population.

Whereas parents are “just parents.” Our voices, our experiences, are just one more neurotypical voice, and can be dismissed far more easily. The fact that we are individual people, with individual children, gets lost in the noise about “privilege” rhetoric. We are expected to sit down and shut up in the blogging world, which is what we get told all the time in the real world: “You’re just not disciplining your child,” “ your child is fine you just want a label for him, you’re just seeking attention,” “but those are issues every parent faces, your kid is no different than my normal one.” We get told all the time how invalid and un-necessary our voices are, so yes it burns a raw nerve when we get told our views are worth little or nothing in the blogging world too.

In fact, I am so afraid of the backlash and hatred that even raising these views creates, that I have submitted this piece anonymously to Jill’s blog. I already know, from past experience, that I will be labelled as hating autistic people just because I don’t agree with some of their views or find some of their arguments weak or un-supported. It is a logical fallacy to judge an argument stronger or weaker according to who is making it, but logic seems to go out the window in the autism wars, replaced by emotion and declaring arguments invalid by virtue of “privilege.”

Ultimately, all I’m trying to say is let’s recognize that extreme views and experiences shouldn’t tar entire communities, let’s not use stereotypes and misinformation to silence other people in the autism world, let’s stop the double-standard that uses connections between autism and murder to shut up an entire population involved in the autism world.

I want to say “can’t we all just get along”, but I’m not that naive. If all I achieve in this post is reassuring parents that they’re not part of some more-likely-to-kill population, then I’d be happy with that outcome. Next time you see someone using an extreme view in an attempt to silence an entire group of people, call the writer out on the abuse. I am not a destined-killer, my son is not a destined-killer. All that’s being killed, is an open respectful conversation between people involved in the autism community.


Edit: The author has asked me to add the following:

People have been asking for examples of the claim that autistic children are murdered at a higher rate by their parents. I was honestly surprised that they were calling for examples of something I encountered so frequently in comments, and on blog posts, and in forums; I thought these horrible statements were widely encountered by others too. Admittedly, they are come across most often when there has been a recent high-profile murder of an autistic child, I can gladly say this hasn’t happened in a while (that I am aware of). So I’m not surprised that the examples aren’t fresh in people’s minds right now. Even though I knew a Google search wouldn’t locate the places the comments are made most often – in blog and news comment sections and in forum discussions – I attempted a search anyway to locate some examples. Many of the links located through the search were dead links, the post or blog had gone under or been moved / renamed. I was able to locate a few key examples though, this is just illustrative of a much larger number of comments perpetuating the myth:

"Autistics are murdered by mothers or fathers at an alarming frequency." By EvilAutie: http://evilautie.org/2012/12/19/autism-is-linked-to-violence/

“We know, for example, that more autistics are murdered by their parents than non-autistics.” Comment by “Undefined” on Autism and Oughtisms’ blog post:http://autismandoughtisms.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/love-and-acceptance-youre-doing-it-wrong/

“Autistic children suffer abuse and are killed at higher rates than normal children.” (no stats or research provided to back up statement about higher killing rates) Nancy Lofholm, on Denverpost: http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11116100

“Every day, autistic people are being murdered and abused by people who are supposed to provide them with love and care.” (No stats to back it up here either, just stated like a fact) On Thinking Person’s Guide, http://www.thinkingautismguide.com/2011/04/headlines-abuse-and-empathy.html

It’s also worth noting the frequency – and double-standard – of posts appealing to parents of autistic children as an entire group, to “please stop killing us,” as if murders by autism parents are very common or usual occurrences. Note that an equivalent would be if parents went around pleading autistic individuals to please stop shooting up the schools: Both claims are extremely broad and damaging generalisations about a group not actually pre-disposed to such actions:

“Stop Murdering Us!” By “Parenting with Asperger’s syndrome. http://parentingwithaspergers.blogspot.com/2012/04/stop-murdering-us.html

“Stop Killing Us” by Autistic Hoya. http://www.autistichoya.com/2012/04/stop-killing-us.html

“You keep killing us and I am pissed” by Radical Neurodivergence Speaking: http://timetolisten.blogspot.com/2012/03/you-keep-killing-us-and-i-am-pissed.html . Which happens to include the extra charming quote: "I fucking hate autism parents."

There are plenty of more borderline examples too, where bloggers and commenters fall short of using the exact words that parents murder their autistic children at higher rates, but they still unambiguously use the presumption as the basis of their arguments and related statements.

I hope that adequately addresses those who chose to focus on that aspect of my post. I would like to point out that the example was one instance of a much broader complaint about extremist rhetorics and double-standards in the autism community.

There are other comments that probably deserve my attention in the comments too, but I do not have unlimited time so I chose to focus on the most common complaint.

All that besides, I just want to thank those who came to my post with an open-mind and a willingness to consider my concerns and to hear out my personal experiences. Some of you have praised me, which is awesome, thank you for that. Some of you have just voiced your appreciation for the chance to think about and address these issues and concerns, thank you to you too for letting me know my post was worth your time!

Thank you most importantly to Jill for giving me a safe place to share my thoughts and concerns. It’s an invaluable and powerful thing.



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This is brilliant.
My recent post So Long Leila.
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And Amen and Hallelujah.
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This is spot on. So, so, so good!
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So well written. Thank you for sharing this here.
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JIll and/ or Anon. I want to bring this to the attention of a group I'm in on facebook that's made up of people with Asperger's and Asperger's parents. (We're awesome, for the record. All of us. And it's awesome how those WITH Asperger's are more than willing to offer support to parents of kids with Asperger's without judgment. It's a wonderful community, though very small.) Anyway - it's bound to cause a shitstorm, so I want to start the conversation with the research, but I can't find it. I'd never even heard of this whole thing, but LORD it's all over the place, now that I look. I want to grab links to the stats that show it's not and present those along with a link to this article. (And i"m pretty damned fond of my autistic kids. I agree wholeheartedly with your argument!!) Can you give me some direction?
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ShesAlwaysWrite · 637 weeks ago

Fantastic post! Thank you for putting in words what so many of us are thinking.
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I hadn't thought about the issue in this way before and it is spot on. Well done.
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What so many of us have felt: impotence, verbal pats on the head, and "there, there" by so-called professionals. This blog beautifully illustrates many of our feelings and concerns. Well done!
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Awesome post, Smo. Very provocative Dive Bar post.
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I'm sorry, I think this post makes some awful mischaracterizations of the self-advocate community. For a post advocating less use of absurd and damaging overgeneralizations, it makes a few....
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10 replies · active 636 weeks ago
But it expressly points out that it's talking about extremists on both sides, isn't that the exact opposite of over-generalisations..?
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I had a long discussion on this post last night and so I'm already pretty worn out, but while the post mentions extremists of both sides, it goes on to primarily focus on the supposed sins of the self-advocacy community, not of the parent community.
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Can you cite an example chavisory? It would help to know where you see the generalisations.
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If you feel this was the generalization that was made, and that you don't agree, then get your voice out there. The extremists are drowning you out. Parents who walk a middle road are afraid to say boo because we're bigots, patronizing, and more. We would LOVE to hear a reasonable view from self advocates. We would welcome someone who would help us to help our children navigate these muddy waters instead of screaming at us that we're doing it all wrong and that we're baby killers.
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My voice is out there. If the link from my name doesn't take you straight to my blog, googling my name will, and I'm also a frequent commenter on Thinking Person's Guide to Autism, several other personal blogs, and in the Tumblr community.

This was my most recent post on the subject of self-advocacy: http://chavisory.wordpress.com/2012/12/05/because...
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There are many autistic people who have mutually respectful connections with parents, and who have been building bridges for a long time. I have Asperger's and I'm the mom of a 20-year-old; I've been blogging for four years and have supported a great many parents in understanding and advocating for their kids. I create safe space with people who are able to create it with me, and it works. A number of my autistic friends do as well, in ways large and small.

A very good person doing outstanding work is Karla Fisher at Karla's ASD Page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Karlas-ASD-Page/15.... She's a bridge-builder who isn't afraid of conflict but wants to get people understanding each other. If you take a look at her page, you might find some good connections there. You're also welcome on my blog and its Facebook page any time.
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You do all those things, plus you're awesome. You failed to mention that part ;)
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I don't always see eye to eye with Karla, but her perspectives, especially those on what it is like to be a professional woman with autism are really interesting to me. She is also local to me, which is cool.
My recent post 2012: A Look Back
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I don't always see eye to eye with anyone. :-) But Karla does a good job of fostering dialogue while staying strong in her own perspectives. I really like that. It means I am welcome to disagree.
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Kassie Lehny · 636 weeks ago

Why does this person you recommend say she was diagnosed in 2011 with an ASD on her Wiki Bio and then says this in her 2012 facebook link?

"Oh and btw: I am rolling with GAD right now as my only official DX. The risk of insurance companies freaking out on me far outweighs the risk of me not getting proper supports. I told my boss it was ASD and I get supports for ASD but my papers say otherwise. The official label has little to do with anythingn I find.
January 20, 2012 at 10:55am ·"

I don't think I would trust someone that openly misrepresents the facts of their medical history to their employer to receive supports. If a person follows this example they could get fired from their job, for someone that might take this as good advice on her site.

And this is how she responds on her facebook page when someone attempts to express sympathy for a family in pain:

"This Mum probably had a dream of a perfect life with her children and it just did not turn out that way. Autism is hugely stressful. There will be many factors which led her to where she ended up. Lack of sleep? financial strain? depression? Social isolation? guilt? who knows. I think it will happen more frequently tho - with the rise in autism rates and the lack of services. God bless - family xxx I feel their sadness and pain x"

"I am worried about you if you honestly "feel" this Mother's pain. Do you have thoughts about killing your autistic child? Do you need help?
December 30, 2012 at 2:38am · Like · 4"

Sorry, but that doesn't look like good connections or bridge building to me, in light of the concerns expressed here. And the facebook site doesn't look like a safe space for those that might be naive about issues associated with autism. I suggest that anyone that visits this facebook site proceed with caution.

It does seem like she is putting a lot of effort into redefining what Autism is, but I'm not sure about her character and integrity, judging from what I read there. Maybe you can reassure me if I am somehow misunderstanding what she writes on her site.. Your site looks like a valuable source of information and you seem like an intelligent person with integrity from what I see on your site, but I'm wondering why you are recommending this other person, as a bridge builder.
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I follow quite a few autistic self-advocate's blogs, and I've never heard any of them make the claim that the parents of autistic children are more likely to kill their children than the parents of neurotypical children. What I've heard, again and again, is that when an autistic child is kill by his/her parent, the media usually (always?) sympathizes with the parent (something along the lines of, the parent was driven to do it because of the stress of caring for the kid), and that this is deeply dehumanizing to the child who has been murdered. I'd be interested to see where you've heard this...
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In response to the last two comments: I don't think it is correct that the people who are saying it is never okay to kill anyone, including autistic people, are autistic adults. I can think of several examples of NT bloggers who say this time and time again. (In fact, most of the people I've read who comment about this being "understandable" are people who seem to have no connection to or understanding of autism at all.) But I think your first point, Clara, about separating the issue is really important.

That said, I don't think it is entirely inappropriate to use tragedies as a jumping off point for discussion of larger issues. We do it all the time. This stance has gotten me into trouble in the past, so I hope I'm being clear. We should not turn an abusive mother (or anyone else) into a martyr who had no choice. We should never make an excuse. But I don't think it is dehumanizing to ask how we can keep it from happening again. In fact, I think that is the most humanizing thing we can do.
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You need to do some research because I've never seen anyone say that parents of autistic children are all doomed to be murderers and want to kill them.

There is a problem of autism being portrayed as the great tragedy and an unbearable burden plus a lack of support, which makes it more likely that the rhetoric if a parent kills their kid will be "poor thing, she/he must have been driven to it", we've seen it time and time again. There is a definite attitude that autism and the frustration of dealing with an autistic child can drive a neurotypical parent to kill, whether the parents who kill do kill their kids because of the autism or are monsters who simply seized a convenient excuse for their butchery, it makes little difference, at the end of the day, children are dying and their murderers are getting off scott free much of the time.

Nobody has said that parents of autistic children are doomed to be killers, just that the rhetoric we as a society are fed makes it much easier to excuse the murder of an autistic child, and is full of needless demonisation that can fuel the violence that some people who shouldn't be parents direct at children who "fail to live up to expectations" ie aren't the perfect neurotypical healthy kid they expected to get and feel they deserve.

The sorts of people who butcher and beat children are not any one group, but certain child groups do suffer disproportionately because the kind of people who are more likely to be violent towards a child have more rhetoric to justify such treatment and receive sympathy rather than condemnation if their child is perceived by society as belonging to a group that society thinks can provoke normal people into being monsters.

Also allistic parents of autistic children are more likely to do or say things that harm their children and us, then retreat behind "but I'm a parent, I understand autism!!11!!" as an excuse no matter how awful a thing they said, like for instance claiming that autistic children lack empathy entirely which is not true.

Violence and mental health are not connected in any shape or form, your statement that they are is ignorant harmful nonsense that fuels bigotry against mentally ill people. It is substance abuse that drives violence with up to 50% of some forms of violent crime involving an intoxicated perpetrator, not a mentally ill one. If mental illness caused violence, our rates of violence would be much higher. Many of the people "diagnosed" with mental illness whose supposed mental illness caused their violence are diagnosed post violence, and frequently post mortem. Many actually are not mentally ill, it's just society assumes that violence is caused by mental illness, in fact mentally ill people are overwhelmingly likely to be victims and no more likely to perpetuate violence than anyone else, and in fact in some cases have a much lower rate of violence than society, for example, mentally ill people are overrepresented within spree killers which is a small group but on the other hand only make up 10% of regular killers, which when you consider we're 25% of society, means that nine out of every ten killers are perfectly mentally healthy.

There wouldn't be war if autistic people didn't have to constantly deal with the verbal and social violence of neurotypical people who happen to have autistic kids and think that their thoughts on autism are somehow special and more important than the voices of people with it. The biggest amounts of nonsense and crap about autism are peddled by the neurotypical parents of autistic children. NT parents come into autistic communities and basically show their asses, they get autistic people attacked and abused. I have seen NT parents describe their autistic children as "monsters" "malevolent" and worse, often these kids are little more than toddlers. What kind of person looks at a toddler and decides they are a monster?
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You got it right about what parents are doing, the propaganda war is all on their side and it's all harm. But trying to claim it's a two sided thing is completely nonsense and shows your ignorance of what we're dealing with, you don't seem to have set foot outside of a very small segment of the community.

Did I read multiple blogs containing bigoted things about autistic people and children after Connecticut? Yes, apparently you missed things like "I am Adam Lanza's mother", there were many blog posts advocating institutionalising disable children, labelling them evil and worse. You say the world saw it? So why was the aforementioned blog post in which a parent bewailed how "evil" her kid was and had him committed to a mental hospital, the most widely shared in the news? Why were the papers full of speculation about violence, mental health and autism within days?

You may not have abused it or used it to belittle us, sadly you apparently remained oblivious to the fact that many did, or that what you're saying here actually is a form of belittlement and social violence against us. Or is it magically not belittling when you assert something without proof, and then label us "illogical", "mindless" and generally use derogatory language?

"it’s accepted by autism parents that we would never use the same dirty tactics to undercut the voice of the adult autistic population."

Pray tell on what planet? I'd love to visit that place, because it doesn't happen here, not given the loud parents network that prevails. Here we get "you aren't my child", "you can talk/type, you aren't autistic", "autistics are monsters, give me pity because instead of the perfect neurotypical healthy child I deserve, I got stuck with a defective one" and worse being shouted by a very vocal segment of the parent community.

You are just parents, having a kid with autism doesn't give you a magic lens into autism, anymore than knowing anyone with autism does for everyone else. In fact, I'd say that often NT parents of autistic children has less of an idea of what autism is that everyone else, because they assume they know, and then assume they're right even when they're talking bollocks about function/monster/whatever is the autistic subject to be ignorant on du jour. Do you have any idea how many NT parents of autistic children seem to positively get off on lecturing me and others about how our autism "really works" and usually get it totally wrong? It's a lot.

"It is a logical fallacy to judge an argument stronger or weaker according to who is making it"

And yet, that is what you have done here. Guess it's not good for the gander then.

"but logic seems to go out the window in the autism wars, replaced by emotion and declaring arguments invalid by virtue of “privilege.”"

Privilege is important, privilege is the blindfold worn by privileged people, it gets in the way of them seeing. You can learn to see past privilege, but the minute you think it's not something you need to work on? You just added another layer to the blindfold. It's your privilege that makes this post so ill informed, blindingly hypocritical and overall poorly supported.

"Ultimately, all I’m trying to say is let’s recognize that extreme views and experiences shouldn’t tar entire communities, let’s not use stereotypes and misinformation to silence other people in the autism world, let’s stop the double-standard that uses connections between autism and murder to shut up an entire population involved in the autism world."

Great idea, how about you do that?
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megansspark · 636 weeks ago

Good blog, thanks for allowing a person a forum to tell their view. A somewhat related point I would like to make on this 'open forum' -- especially to new parents looking for answers, trying to get their feet under them. DO NOT TRUST STRANGERS/STATISTICS/THEORIES/'FACTS' YOU FIND ONLINE. You have no way of knowing who these people are, or what is motivating them. Most online autism groups and pages are simply crafted to sell a variety of things -- dietary plans, books, advice, etc. If you leave a comment that opposes their angle, even gently and politely.... you will find it later deleted. ***They are managing their online image, their position of authority.*** You want to be a good parent? TRUST YOURSELF, because you know your child best. Your child needs your love, acceptance, and protection... and most of all, your TIME. Don't fall into this time stealing trap of trusting the wrong people, and spending hours reading negativity and manipulative jargon. Don't let your vulnerability make a victim of you, or your child.
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