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Wednesday, August 24, 2011

"My child needs an IEP."

Disclaimer!!!! I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. Please don't use anything I say here as proof of anything whatsoever. This is my opinion, based on my experience. This is not legal advice. Did I mention yet that I am not a lawyer? It's true. I'm not. Also this isn't legal advice. I may link to legal looking things, but don't read anything more into that. Because I'm not a lawyer. And this isn't legal advice.



This post is written for parents who have children with an actual, documented diagnosis of a disability that is preventing their children from doing well in school. This is not intended for those kids who are falling a little behind, or who are struggling for other reasons, I'm talking about kids who qualify for an IEP under The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).

Before you go on, read my disclaimer at the top again. Okay! We're good!

I spend a lot of time talking to people who have children with IEPs or children who have a diagnosis of something and need extra help at school because of it. I talk to people online, in real life, on the phone, via email, whatever. There is one commonality in the stories of practically every single person I talk to and I'll be honest, I'm getting really sick of it.

So. Parents. Here's something you should know about your school and your school district: Your child may be entitled to services under IDEA but it is the intention of your district to do their best to make sure you don't find out about that. They don't want you to know your rights because if you did, you would then be empowered and you would use your rights to get services for your child. This costs the district money and they don't have very much of it as it is and they certainly don't want to give what they do have to your kid. So they will lie, and they will avoid you, and they will feed you complete crap so that you walk away disappointed... as long as you walk away.

If your child has a diagnoses, or even if you suspect that he does (I'm not being sexist but I'm going to use the masculine pronoun here because it's easier than saying "he or she" every time) and he is struggling in school as a result, the first person you might want to talk to would be the principal at your school. Except the principal at your school is really just an extension of the district at large and they have (for the most part) been instructed to tell you whatever it takes to get you to stop asking about it.

Here are a few things I've heard parents tell me that they've heard from their principals:

1. We don't give IEPs for (whatever your diagnosis is)
2. You can't get an IEP until your child is X number of years behind academically
3. The district isn't giving out IEPs right now, check again next year
4. We're not giving out IEPs because we've run out of IEP forms
5. I'm sorry, this isn't the kind of school district that teaches children

(I made those last 2 up.) (NOT LEGAL ADVICE.)

All of that is complete horseshit, of course. If your child has a documented disability that impairs his ability to learn in school along with his peers, he qualifies for an IEP. And the principal of your school has absolutely no jurisdiction or authority to determine any of this, despite what they might tell you. There is a special education department located inside the district offices, with a special education director whose job it is specifically to field your questions. That's the person you want to talk to, not your school's principal. Unless your district is so small that your school's principal plays a dual role of both school principal and district SPED director, don't go to your principal for an IEP.

The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act lists 13 categories under which a student can qualify for special education services. You can make pretty much any diagnosis (yes, including ADHD) fit into one of these:
  1. Autism
  2. Deaf-Blindness
  3. Deafness
  4. Hearing Impairment
  5. Mental Retardation
  6. Multiple Disabilities
  7. Orthopedic Impairment
  8. Other Health Impairment
  9. Serious Emotional Disturbance
  10. Specific Learning Disability
  11. Speech or Language Impairment
  12. Traumatic Brain Injury
  13. Visual impairment, including Blindness
I'm sick to death of parents being flat out lied to or just given misinformation. There are laws, they are federal law and they are clear. You have the right to have your child evaluated, and if they don't want to, they need to give you a damn good reason that doesn't involve money. There are timelines they are required to follow. They don't get to stall, they don't get to hem and haw, they don't get to cancel meetings and hang up on you and not call you back: they do these things because they don't want to have to spend any money on your child. This is obviously not what is in the best interest of your child. This might piss some people off but it's not your problem that they can't afford it or don't want to spend money on your kid. It's not your problem. IDEA says so.

Parents: know your rights. They are online and they are easy to find. There are people in your district or your state who exist specifically just to help you find out. If you're a good internet researcher, I suggest you start at WrightsLaw. They will have everything you need to know about what to do.

Put all your communication with the school district in writing (emails don't count). Never make a phone call and then take the words you were given as some kind of evidence of anything, because they probably will deny it later. Having things in writing will document your timeline and you will be able to prove, undeniably, that in August 2011 you requested an evaluation. This may be helpful in April 2012 when you're in front of a judge or a mediator still trying to get some help for your kid.

So, if you're in the process, or you're starting the process, or you know somebody who is, don't necessarily believe what you're told because it might not be true. And if you need any help, contact me; I'm a good resource, no matter where you live, and I love sticking it to the lying school districts who lie.

Except I'm not a lawyer. And none of this was legal advice.




Edit: Sometimes I see in my site stats that people land on this page because of a google search. PLEASE feel free to contact me if there's anything I can answer for you or help you with!!! jillsmo@gmail.com

Edit2: This is a really good article: Top Ten Most Ridiculous Comments Heard at an IEP Meeting



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School districts want to get away with the least amount of work they possibly can. Which is stupid because their job is to HELP the children. It's crap. You can call as many IEP meetings as you want. Know your rights because you are your child's advocate.
Can I be there when you stick it to the lying school districts who lie? Like in your purse or something? That would be AWESOME. I would watch THAT reality TV show.
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Excellent. I spent a full day at the Autism One Conference in May at the Special Education Law session. It dealt with IEP's. This is my take on that: http://thisisnotholland.blogspot.com/2011/05/auti... ( i thought I had more notes on it but they are in my handbook they gave out but it was overwhelming!) My advice to other parents is to find other parents in your situation. Find support groups, find advocacy groups. The best thing I came out of that meeting is that the school has obligations but parents have rights! You do and you undeniably have to fight for them with a lot of school districts because they think they can bamboozle you into doing what they want to do for the financial benefit of their district. Find Autism groups like TACANOW.org in your state and you will be able to get help. I second having everything in writing. It's beneficial for everyone.
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Schools and school districts are so wrapped up in their money issues that they are forgetting one very important thing - our children are there to learn. We shouldn't have to fight to get an education for our children.
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This unfortunately may be true for some, but definitely not all.
I livein a district where especially the teaching and support staff bend over backwards for kids, all kids, IEP or not, and I've seen it time and again.
I consider my kids and the youth in my community lucky, as .i know it's not the case everywhere...
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I'm currently trying to get a copy of my sons FULL school record. Let me tell you what a treat it has been. Like this, there are laws in place. Federal laws allow me to have a copy. Freedom on Information Act allows me to request certain documents (emails) that would otherwise not be in his record. A Child Education Advocacy Lawyer allows me to serve them a can of whoop ass. Know your rights parents, even when schools are hell bent on keeping them from you. (This is also totally not legal advice)
I am so unbelievably lucky. The school district in which we live is amazing. They tell me the timeline and say, "If xyz does not happen by date then you have the right to complain to blah blah blah" It all happens fast too. It seems that Joey's IEP is usually reviewed late in March and by Mid April we have everything completely set up for the following year. Then I am told that "If things aren't working out or you feel you need further assistance please call us and we will reconvene to review and rewrite the IEP"
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Great post! I know this story all too well. Sometimes I walk into my meetings and am just floored by what they do, don't do and say.

I live in The Bronx and I think - scratch that, I KNOW, they expect parents to be uneducated. They expect me to sit there, nod and take whatever crumbs they're willing to throw at me.

Then I start pulling out my books and binders and notes. I start asking questions and stating laws. And then I get the look that says, "uh oh, this one knows better."

But I smile and say please and thank you - I even brought freaking donuts once. And I don't walk away until I get my way. For the most part. My last meeting, I had to just wave the white flag knowing I would not get an RSA letter but I'll be back in that office in September. And I'll get it. :)
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1 reply · active 709 weeks ago
I would've LOVED to have you as a parent of one of my students!
Great advice, even if you're not a lawyer!

My experiences have run the gamut from the district bending over backwards to help us to school officials not wanting to provide much-needed services. Overall, we've been very lucky in having supportive folks who actually want to do what's best for my child.

Now that my daughter is transferring to a gifted magnet, however, I'm a bit worried. The principal looked at her work samples and said, "That child shouldn't be on an IEP! She's obviously having no problem accessing the curriculum!" Yeah, my daughter is doing great academically. But she has autism and needs to get services because of it. Plus, we have no idea what issues will pop up in the future. So get your filthy paws off her IEP!
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2 replies · active 709 weeks ago
Had similar situation with my DD, so they did a 504 Plan instead. A way to still provide services even if the child isn't underperforming.

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GIfted kids STILL qualify for IEPs. I had one all through school. How do I know? My mother always bitched when the meeting came up each year. You can tie in any autism stuff too. So yes, tell them to keep their filthy paws of her IEP.
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As much as people dog the Minneapolis Public schools I feel like I hit the jackpot with our EI team. So far everything has gone like clockwork- it was like 3 weeks from our first evaluation to our first IFSP meeting (because the eval was like 2 days before Christmas break) and then just a matter of days before the boys were riding the bus to school (their very own bus- no other kids!). Tuesday is our hand-off to our new school as they are moving up to the 3 year old class which requires an IEP, even though they aren't yet 3. I am not expecting any obstacles since so far it's been smooth sailing, but it is always in the back of my mind. Some days I wonder if we're being naive being so new to the process, but I don't think we are.
If you have trouble, consider the possibility of a 504 Plan. My DD had a moderately serious immune disorder until age 8 (she appears to have outgrown it?!?!?! Please God, yes?!), and we used to live in the Chicago suburbs. Our school fought me a little me on providing services. They wouldn't do an IEP, but they DID agree to a "504 Plan". I didn't care what they called it, we just needed certain services (immediate notification of any infectious diseases; inservicing of all staff on her condition and needs; cleaning of her desk daily; use of hand sanitizer in classroom unless other parents bitch about it; agreement not to hold her back based on absences alone, etc.) We moved to a smaller town near Peoria, IL, where the school was AWESOME and happy to provide services... did another 504 Plan. It was my understanding that the IEP was "harder to get" than the 504 Plan, so I'm throwing this out there in case it helps someone. And I'm TOTALLY giving legal advice. It's worth what you paid for it.
2 replies · active 709 weeks ago
I was going to say the same thing. My daughter's school refused to issue an IEP as well, but when I changed my tactics due to some well-given advice, they were willing to discuss it. I didn't win everything I wanted (and realized the school was not in position to deal with it like they should), but I got it in writing. When we transferred to a new district, I got everything I wanted, and then some.

No matter what they tell you, don't stop fighting. Check the parent advocate center in your area, take time to talk to someone. They will give you the names of the connections you need to contact if things aren't going your way.
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yo,yo, Ma! · 709 weeks ago

To clarify the trouble they gave me -- said they would provide the services I would get WITH a 504, but there was no need to put it in writing in an actual 504, that we'd just all agree on what to do. So I used the old "If you are really going to do everything you say you will, then it's no big deal for you to put it in writing". What I didn't say was, "Nice try, though." :D
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Very good points and advice for those parents who don't know where to start to get their child(ren) help.

How about this? I had to beg sometimes to get parents to ATTEND their child's IEP meeting so that we would be in compliance. So I'd add that when you've achievement unlocked, do go to the damn meetings when they're scheduled the first time, don't reschedule seven times.

Ooooh, that one parent. Grr.

I loved the empowered parents. Those were the good meetings where I didn't feel like I was talking to a brick wall.
I'm pretty sure we have a messy year coming up, maybe you should just give me your cell number now.

Thanks for all that very much non-legal advice!!
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I always like to remind my schools that the disability and their needs drive their IEPs not your budget and what's convenient to you. They don't like me. I could care less. I have also said " I'm not here to make friends I'm here to get my kid's needs met"
Schools and services even run the gamut in the same district. We have an Intermediate Unit who provides services to kids 3-5 not yet in K for various school districts in a geographical area. Ours determined my younger son needed speech services and then never did anything. I had to call and say "Um, WTF? And that's ILLEGAL," before they'd do anything. I won't even get into how they did his full eval and came to the autism conclusion and how they wanted me to mainstream him this fall and I told them they were sniffing some serious glue. Plus lots of other stuff they tried to get away with.

The elementary school my older child is in did give us a bit of a hard time because they didn't have any documentation of a diagnosis. When we moved here I asked "Do you need this?" I was told, "Oh noooooooooo. We're fine." Mmmmhmmmm. Fast forward about 9 months, and a changed diagnosis (to the correct one anyway imo), and they've done a 180 and things are fine. I still don't let my guard down though.

I am totally "that" mom when it comes to both of my kids and getting them what they need be it from the shrewish schools or insurance company.
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I have a hard time fighting in the IEP because my son goes to school at the same school where I am a teacher. It would be hard for me to sit in the IEP and chew out my own boss.

I was told at his last IEP that 60 min of speech therapy per week is the "maximum that the school provides, for any diagnosis." They tried offering me only 30 min., because he is verbal (although its almost all scripting) and I pushed for the full 60. I got it, but later the teacher approached me to lay a guilt trip on me because "some children who are way more severe than yours don't get 60 min."
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ShesAlwaysWrite · 709 weeks ago

This morning I went to an info session for a new autism resource group, and in a brief chat with one of the advocates there discovered that the fact my school district doesn't have OT as an in-house service doesn't mean we can't get it (which is what I was told repeatedly). She told me if he needs it, then they have to pay for private if they don't offer it... unfortunately, this awesome advice came after we paid for 8 months of private OT.

Turns out the catch is that they have to admit he needs the service, but they played that too. Based on a 2 hour assessment in their office, our district ignored written reports from 4 medical professionals insisting he needed OT and one woman actually said (very snottily) to my face "this child DOES NOT need OT." As if I - and a number of medical specialists - were all crazy.

He also has a diagnosed neurological language processing disorder, but they weren't going to give him any speech services. We had to push them to get it. Now that we have the autism diagnosis too we're going to in to revise his IEP and finally get that ECE placement all this doctors and therapists say he needs, but this time I'm going in with an advocate.
Our school district is horrible...the most horrible one ever. I am not even kidding. The things that happened to my son in that district ended with people getting fired. I started homeschooling because I couldn't take it any more. Parents who have NT kids in my district don't believe that things like this can happnen to a child. They don't believe that the district would be that sneaky or would take the law into their own hands like that. But it does happen! Whew...whoops...didn't mean to go off like that. Sorry. But this is a good post!
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Thank you so much for this! I am a teacher for kids who have special needs of all sorts--from mild to somewhat severe--and I have told my parents this as they leave our school. We are pretty good at getting kids the help that they need instead of what works best for the teacher etc... Thank you for being a voice for parents everywhere. I wish all parents understood that they, and their kids, have rights and that they may have to be willing to speak up to get them.
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Another thing I hate hearing is from the teachers at our school who say things like "this kid really needs more help than I can give him but I don't know what to do." The answer is that, really, unless there are major, unavoidable behavioral issues, it's the parents who need to initiate the process, and teachers' hands are tied, for the most part. It's very frustrating for you guys!!!
My daughter has ADD and has had a 504 plan throughout elementary school. I was told that was the route to go, not IEP. Is that not true? I don't know!

I do feel that our district has been very helpful. Unless they're actually lying. In which case I might have to get angry.

I think you are wonderful for writing this post!
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If it's working for you, if she's getting her needs met, if she's actually learning, there's no reason to fix what ain't broke. Even if they ARE lying to you, as long as you and your daughter are okay with it, it's probably okay. In my opinion. NOT LEGAL ADVICE.
OK. I will be keeping all of this in mind.
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This? Is why I am seriously considering homeschooling. I can't stand to think of how much the public schools will eff up my daughter by not getting her what she needs. Trust me, I can do battle. I WILL do battle if necessary. But the whole thing annoys the s--t out of me and we're not even there yet.
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Safe to assume you are off to a swell school year? Your "not legal advice" does such a fantastic job of raising awareness and letting folks know it is ok to question and try to do/get what is best for a child.
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Great post! Sometimes it's intimidating talking to the school district and all the ARD's. Parents educate your self..your kids will thank you in the long run. Thanks Jill.
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I'm probably one of the few people in America who have had a good experience with our school district. What sucks is that being the minority. The school actually approached ME. And they followed through. ARD done, IEP set. School started Monday and my daughter met and started working with her special education teacher on Tuesday. Unfortunately that's not the norm.
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Handflapper · 708 weeks ago

I was fortunate enough to work in a school district that did better than most in providing services to "special needs" students, but it was still a constant battle with other teachers, the transportation director, even the lunch ladies to make even the smallest accommodation to help these kids have a successful school experience, and the principal always came down on the side of "regular" ed.

Parents need to make a loud, long noise, as loud and as long as it takes. This is a great post and EVERYONE needs to read it. Too many parents aren't aware of their or their child's rights. I was not always popular at my school because I didn't hesitate to tell them.
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This seems extremely "legal" to me.
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I have 2 and 3/4 children. Thing 1 is 8 and in 2nd grade and I am suffering (he enjoys it) thru his ADHD, dyslexia and hearing impairment - he can't hear certain tones, my voice being one of them. Thing 2 is 6 and is rather enjoying being on "the spectrum" also started Kindergarten this year. After 3 years and a lawyer friend I finally got Thing 1 in an IEP. After he repeated a grade beeteedubs. Figuring I'd have the same issues with Thing 2 I started early, happy to find out there's already one in the works for him.
My biggest issues was and still is.. Don't look him as Thing 2 the Autistic, don't separate him from the other kids and DO NOT single him out or ignore him because he hasn't grasped the concept of socializing. I want them to see him as Thing 2 the awesomest fucking 6 year old you've ever met. The one if given a chance will shock you how smart he is and when comfy will NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP!!
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My 10 yr. old boy got his IEP last year. After we held him back in the third grade. He had been struggling since Kindergarten. I was not aware that there was an IEP program. I wish they had been more involved in the first place. Once he got the IEP I felt more involved & felt the teachers cared more. Until this 4th grade year. He & his teacher do not get along. She seems very cold & the feeling I get is that she has to many kids to give special attention to one. And if I get this feeling what is he feeling? He's been acting up & for the first time in his life he got a D in Conduct! How much of this is the teacher & how much the student? He said,"I don't care if I get in trouble. I can't do anything right in her class anyway! She hates me!" Called for a meeting & some provisions were put in place. Yes, more provisions. I know he's not perfect. But more provisions? Which singles him out even more. I know he is slower at learning than other children. I would just love to know WHY??? Why is he "different." ? I hate to see him struggle like this.
University regions want to get away with the least perform they probably can. Which is ridiculous because their job is to HELP the kids. It's junk. You can contact as many IEP conferences as you want. Know your privileges because you are your kid's suggest.

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