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Wednesday, December 21, 2011

The Hanukkah Dialogues: A Guest Post (although I am partially responsible)

I don't think this needs an introduction (giggle). So I'll just tell you (chuckle) that this was written (snort) by Jim who can also be found at Just A Lil Blog (guffaw). Oh, by the way, do you know how he got on Twitter? It's because I said "You're funny. Are you on Twitter?" (BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)


The Hanukkah Dialogues

Alright, so I was apparently born without the “faith” gene that gives so many people so much comfort and also so much guilt, but what I lack in faith I make up for in curiosity.  I was curious about what I’d heard about Hanukkah, and, moreover, skeptical.  I turned to the greatest scholar of Judaism I know, Jillsmo, for answers.  What follows is an “enhanced” dialog of our twitter discussion of Chanukah, where the enhancement is simply what happened to be going through my mind as the discussion progressed.  At the end, or maybe even interspersed within the dialog I’ll do my best to add some tidbits about Chanukkah that I gleaned not only to satisfy my own curiosity, but also to avoid being overly offensive (since Jillsmo is my twitter sponsor and also FF’ed me once. . . hard, square in my tweet deck).

So, without further ado. . . “The Chanuka Dialogues”:

Jim W:  Is it offensive to wonder whether the guy checking the lamp oil just didn't know how much lamp oil it actually takes for 8 days?

Okay first thing out of the gate.  I was trying to be funny.  I knew Jillsmo wasn’t a huge fan of the holidays having read it in her blog.  But people are funny about religion, and while I’m not particularly religiousy (i.e., not at ALL), just because someone seems not religiousy doesn’t mean you can shit all over their religion with reckless abandon and not pay some sort of penalty.  And I like Jillsmo.

Jill:  that's not offensive, I mean, there was a lot of stress and chaos going on at the time

Sort of a lukewarm response, but I took it as an opening.

Jim:  dude. . . wait wait. . . I didn't carry the one. We're cool for 8 days!

Jill:  wait... HOW many ounces are there in a cup? OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Feeling a lot more comfortable that I’m not burning the bridge of blog friendship at this point by continuing.

Jill:  It's a miracle!!!

Okay, at the risk of being offensive.  This is like the lamest miracle ever.  Even if I make my peace with it actually being a miracle, I’m reminded of an episode of a television show by the second greatest Judaicical (is that a word?  That’s a word.  Right?) I know of, Jerry Seinfeld.  Kramer is taking a car Jerry wants to buy for a test drive.  He misses the turn on the way back and decides to just keep driving and see how far it will go.  It goes impossibly far until, at last the dealership is in sight, and they go for it.  The car rolls to a stop, out of gas, and Kramer says he’ll think about it.  IT ONLY HAD ENOUGH OIL FOR ONE NIGHT!!!  MIRACLE!!

Jim W:  ixnay on the iracle may!! I fucked up the math!

Jill:  LMAO!!!!

Jim W:  So embarassing. Who the hell bought all this lamp oil anyway? I said ONE DAY'S WORTH!

Jill:  do you have any idea how much lamp oil costs?? OY!

Alright, so what is up with the fucking lamp oil already?  Why do we need it?  Why are we lighting lamps in the first place?  Well, it turns out this douchebag Antiochus IV invaded Jerusalem, looted the Second Temple (which is apparently at least the second best Jewish temple in all the land) and put a bunch of Jews to the sword. 

I guess that was more or less okay with the Jews except then THIS happened, (from the third greatest source on Jewstory that I know of, Wikipedia):  Judaism was outlawed. Antiochus ordered an altar to Zeus erected in the Temple.  He banned circumcision and ordered pigs to be sacrificed at the altar of the temple.  Antiochus's actions provoked a large-scale revolt.

You outlawed my religion?  You. . . you desecrated the second best temple I fucking own?  You. . . you banned my ritual mutilation of man penis??  And you. . . oh no you di-in’t. . . you fucking burned the goddamn BACON!!!  PREPARE TO DIE, OF COURSE!!

So the Jews took back the Second Temple by force.  This taking back led to a celebration.  Because, you know, bacon is back!  They wanted to light the temple, but all the fucking sacred oil had been desecrated by a bunch of Zeus worshipping douchebags!  All except one pot, sealed by the high priest (who may or may not have been shitfaced when he calculated how much oil to put in the “one day’s worth pot” per my discussion with Jillsmo).

Back to our dialogue: 

Jim W:  abba is going to KILL me if he finds out I bought enough for 8 days. Tell him I just bought enough for 1!

These sorts of “Jews are cheap” jokes are beneath me, but I felt like Jillsmo went there first, and I didn’t want her to feel guilty about it.

Jill:  but it was on sale! Eight for the price of one. How could I refuse??? Such a deal.

So they dedicated the Second Temple, but they have this one pot of oil.  And here’s where the miracle part comes in. . . it’s going to take them eight days to get more oil.  But they only have enough for one day.  So this is totally inconvenient to the rededication ceremony.  You know, lamp’s gotta stay lit, people.  You can’t cook bacon without light!  So at this point I imagine a Project Manager entering the picture and saying, THAT’S “UNACCEPTABLE!”  (because I am one, I hear this term ALL the fucking time, to the point where I’m like Inigo Montoya saying to Vezzini, “You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.”) “You make this last until we get more!”  And they did.  And so, you know, miracle. 

And with miracles come celebrations!  And so this is pretty funny, but you know one of the awesome customs associated with “the Festival of Lights” (they call it that because they know they can’t spell Hannukah the same way twice otherwise)??  Eating foods fried in oil to commemorate the miracle of a small flask of oil keeping the flame in the Temple alight for eight days.

Are you fucking with me??  Bacon and fried foods??  I LOVE Jews!  So, this is where the holy hashbrowns (also known as latkes in Yiddish) come from.

At this point Patrick Smith joined the fray, apparently hoping we would start roping some of the other religions and their sucky miracles into the discussion.

Patrick:  Are you two blaspheming again? Let me know when you start ridiculing hinduism. #theyknowwhy

Jill:  "They know why" LOL. I think I'm giddy with lack of sleep, I'm laughing my ass off at everything today

I attempted to shift the focus of our heightened religiousy awareness to something I knew more about, namely, Christianity, and specifically the miracle of the Christmas birth of Jesus to a virgin, which, and don’t excoriate me, has long made me think of THIS dialogue that possibly escaped Biblical scholars:

Joseph:  You’re pregnant?  What do you mean you’re pregnant??  I thought you said you were on the pill!
Mary:  I am on the pill!  It’s not 100% okay??  What about you?  You were supposed to pull out!
Joseph:  That’s Onanism and forbidden by religious law!
Mary:  Right, and having sex before we’re married is totally kosher.  God, you’re an asshole.
Joseph:  What the hell are we going to do?  Your dad is going to KILL us!
Mary:  Okay, shut up and listen.  We’re going back home and I’m telling dad that God did it?
Joseph:  God did it?
Mary:  Yeah, God did it.  He impregnated me, and my child is going to be King of the World or something.  He’s super religious and totally into this “descended from David” stuff, he’ll buy it.
Joseph:  Alright. . . I’m in.

But anyway, I said:

Jim W:  Ugh we've been following that fucking star all night. Let's just crown the first baby we see. Hey, is that a manger?

But apparently the power of the Christian God awed them both into silence because they totally ignored that awesome comment related to the magi and drifted off my twitter radar.

Some people then came in and told us they thought the whole conversation was pretty funny (presumably anti-semites, because everyone loves a good jew-bashing, I know because I read not only “The Merchant of Venice”, but also “Ivanhoe”, and also fast forwarded “Schindler’s List” to the nude scenes, and mostly based on this, it appears these folks have universally gotten shafted by people in power (i.e., Christians).  But they also might not have been anti-semites, because I’m not an anti-semite, and I also thought it was pretty funny.) and that it should be blogged, but I didn’t feel comfortable blogging it because I’m not Jewish, but then Jillsmo said it was okay, so I felt like I had the blessing of all of Judaism behind me.  And it’s not like you can just refuse that sort of calling.

At that point, I felt like I should look a little more into the holiday and develop some sort of understanding before I posted my enhanced version, and that’s where some of my tidbits came from. 

So in closing.  1)  Nobody can spell Chanukah right.  AND HERE’S WHY!  The actual spelling uses a symbol that doesn’t equate to anything in English, okay?  So they approximate it with sounds.  Those sounds are the Huh sound or the Chah sound, roughly, depending on how you do it.  So they just try their best to spell it like it sounds consistently but because everyone is an asshole who has to do it MY way, and MY way is the only right way, there’s like 6 official spellings that are all fine.  It’s the same with Qaddafi, yo.  I learned this on the interwebz.  Anyway, they just call it “The Festival of Lights”.  2)  And this really surprised me. . . it’s not really THAT big a deal in the whole pantheon of Jewish holidays.  It’s bigger in the States now because apparently their was some sort of religious dick-measuring contest and the Jews were pissed cause Christian kids get Santa and their kids got a fucking dreidel and some hashbrowns, and maybe some gold, so a lot of Jewish families give gifts too, which makes The Festival of Lights seem way cooler than the celebration of Kramer driving the Saab back to the dealership after an impossibly long test drive.  But anyway, way bigger holidays out there for folks of the Jewish faith.  3)  After this I’m probably burning in hell.

The End

Happy Holidays Everyone!



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I love this guy's work.
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2 replies · active 692 weeks ago
Don't worry about burning in hell: Jews don't believe in hell.

WIN!
You had me at Holy Hashrowns.

We should really decide on a single correct anglicized spelling of the word Hanukkah/ Chanukah.
And I totally bet Jesus hated having a birthday so close to C/Hanukkah.
Loved this- you two need a radio show.
Kris (Letmepeeinpeace) :)
1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
I think if they should just settle on "The Festival of Lights"
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I feel so much better informed about the wonderful history of Hanukkah! Thanks so much. :)
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
*nods* you're welcome.
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want a fancy term for that reason people can't spell Chanukah?

"Transliteration"

(my bachelor's degree in religious study has its uses--and by uses i mean i know alot of useless shit)

excellent breakdown of the holiday by the way.
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Transliteration huh? Sounds made up. I'll ask my Judaicical source about it.
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or you can ask a Russian source, arabic source, chinese source...anyone with a completely different alphabet.

and of course its made up. A bunch of old white dudes with nothing else to do other than sit around and talk about this shit had to come up with SOMETHING... ;)
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Um... the whole bacon thing... isn't that a no-no among Jews?? :)

Also, Mary TOTALLY stole the whole "virgin birth" story from Buddha, who was conceived when a white elephant flew inside his mother.

Jim, you ARE really funny. I had no idea! :)
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
Look. . . POSSIBLY the Jews weren't using the pigs that zeus people sacrificed for bacon. You know. . . clove hooves and whatnot. But really. . . I don't think they took back the temple until after the zeus people burned the bacon. I'm just saying it seems sort of TOO coincidental.

And. . . thank you. . .
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That convo really happened between Mary and Joesph. At least it did in my bible.
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Brilliant. And good to know I am not the only one out there maybe going to hell...which won't really be a bad thing if the cool kids are there with me
; )
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We could blog about it.
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Awesome!!!!!! I knew it'd be freaking hysterically funny! Thanks for taking the time to research and write.........and you're welcome for the push, ha!
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This post seems like a different tone than tomorrows post. . .
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I feel the need to go to confession...

The three J's : Jillsmo, Jim and Judaism. I love that you two are educating the world, one slice of bacon at a time.
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i love me some bacon. . . and hashbrowns.
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Great description of the holiday that shall not be spelled. But what about the Maccabees (or Macabees, hell, it could be the Bee Gees, for all I know), or whoever they are? How did Scottish named guys turn into Jewish heroes? Did they speak Yiddish with a brogue? I imagine guys with kilts and wondered how they got all the way to Israel when El Al wasn't offering non-stop flights?

What religious event will you enlighten us on next?
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
I left that part out. Everyone knows Scots don't eat hash browns. It would have confused the readers.
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I, too, have often wondered about that conversation between Mary and Joseph. But in my head, it went a little differently, and Joseph turned out to be the biggest cuckold EVER!! Poor sap didn't have paternity testing available back then.

Thank you for this very informative and educational post. I'll see you in hell.
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I envisioned THAT conversation too. But I think it's more likely he was "in on it" so to speak.
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Hoping you will define Advent next.
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It could become like an ABC After School special blog or something.
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I thought probing was something you did with sensitive instruments. . . to 'investigate' or something. I had no idea that probing was "having sex with" #okayyesIdid
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Things I love about this post:

1. It is totally offensive.
2. Princess Bride references.
3. Bacon.
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
I'm offended that you called the post offensive. I think there's Princess Bride, Seinfeld, and Scott Pilgrim hidden in there.
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J Dub,
Holy Hashbrowns?? Oh, hell YES!!
This whole post is so fucking awesome, I'm going to suggest Little Bird's teachers use this instead of that weird Judah Macabee stuff they push at her Jewish school.
Also, I can't wait to burn in hell since I'll get to hang out with all my favorite blogging peeps!
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
JEW. APPROVAL.

And you were worried, Jim..
So, this is actually more of a breakfast celebration with the holy hashbrowns and the burnin' bacon? And I can totally envision the Mary and Joseph conversation happening because I sometimes wonder if that's what REALLY happened. I am so goin' to hell with the rest of you. Well, except for the Jewish people who don't believe in hell...and where do they go instead? Denny's?
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Denny's IS hell
The Denny's near my office recently closed. Where do the damned go for breakfast now??
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I kept seeing Jill's tweets with this link all day on my lil' Tweet Machine (phone), but couldn't properly read it until I got done with our 6 hour drive today. And as a witness to the miracle that was that Twitter conversation (one tweet turned into over 8 tweets), I couldn't wait to read it. It was so worth the wait.
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1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
Yay! Funny . . . i tried to read your post last night on MY lil' Tweet Machine (phone), but I hate commenting on that damn thing, so this is a reminder to revisit now that I'm on a PC. Thank you!
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NOW I get it - can you come explain all the weird religious things I never got an explanation for during my childhood? That would be awesome.
1 reply · active 692 weeks ago
absolutely. I'm awesome at explaining things.
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Funny funny funny!

This ranks up there (in my esteemed and valued opinion) with the Tim Tebow SNL skit about Jesus.

Sometimes religion is just funny. And I think God likes it that way :)
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I can never have these kinds of conversations in these parts, because I will get shot, and then excommunicated. I'm probably on some list somewhere just for reading this blog post! But it was totally worth it for the funny.
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