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Saturday, March 31, 2012

Let's talk some more about cookies

Recently I have found myself (voluntarily) in the middle of cyber arguments taking place between autism parents and autistic self advocates. These discussions are always so full of emotion and pain, rarely does anybody come away from them with a good feeling.

I'm bothered by this. I really am. If you've read anything I've commented on recently and you've taken issue with things that I've said, this may come as a surprise to you, but the truth is that I don't like it. I don't like this divisiveness. I don't like that we're split into 2 separate groups. I don't like that we fight with each other; that we don't or can't understand each other.

I like to say that I have an over-developed sense of empathy; I'm not just really good at seeing the issues from all points of view, I sometimes trip myself up trying to explain things because I try to say things in a way that everybody will be okay with. That doesn't always work, I know, and often I'm having to backpedal my words. Oftentimes a lot of what I say ends up not making sense or I simply don't explain myself well enough, and when that happens I just quit the whole thing and I leave feeling frustrated. Good thing I have this blog, right??

I asked my sister-friend Dawn for help when I was writing this. I'm not a writer and I was having trouble with the words, and she's always been awesome about helping me with these things. She said "Maybe the 'problem' is that you are expressing YOUR feelings--which are neurotypical--in an autistic world. You will always be on the outside, no matter how hard you advocate, no matter how hard you empathize. It's like the role of the Jewish activists in the civil rights movement. As much as they wanted to help, it wasn’t REALLY about them, and they were never 100% accepted into the movement. And this stage of your growth--why the comments and arguments bug you-- is because you are beginning to understand that." I think she's right.

I am now 7+ years into this autism journey and I've come a long way in that time. That by no means makes me a veteran, but I'm through the beginning stages. I've done my grieving; yes, I grieved. I grieved, and I raged (oh yes. I raged), and I was filled with pure terror for weeks and months at a time. I had days of extreme "self pitying" lows, extreme "worrying about my kid" lows, extreme panic about the future, and all those goddamn what ifs and what ifs and what ifs again. Why did this happen? What did I do wrong? Is this my fault??? I ate tuna when I was pregnant. He got all of his shots. What should I have done differently? Why did this happen to him? To me?

But I'm past that now, and am firmly entrenched in acceptance, education, and support. When I come to these discussions, I do it not from my own place of emotion, but from remembering what that place was like, and being able to have a clear head and (attempt to) articulate what that feels like.

In the interest of full disclosure, my personal experience with autism, particularly the past 3-4 years, has not been all that difficult. My son is an absolute joy. We do not experience any of the behavioral issues that other parents face, at this point he has very few sensory issues that affect his daily life (I'm not talking about school, that's a whole other ball game) he is not rigid, he is not inflexible, he deals with change very easily. He's got tons of quirks and stims, and his expressive language skills cause him, and me, a great deal of difficulty and frustration, but that's okay; we deal with things as they come and we all love each other very much.

At the most I can be accused of worrying too much, which I completely accept. I know that he is very sensitive to my moods and I know that I worry too goddamn much. I know that I project my own fears about his happiness and well being onto him and that he doesn't care about these things nearly as much as I do. I also know that my overprotectiveness is not beneficial to his emotional well being, and I try hard to keep it to myself.

So, there's my full disclosure. Hopefully this will help people better understand where I'm coming from, because what I want is to create some productive discussion between us all. I want to fix this. I'm not nearly self centered enough to think that I and my itty bitty blog can actually change the public discourse, but I do think that I can offer a place where these discussions can happen, and so I'm going to try. There shouldn't be two different groups fighting each other: we should be one group, working together.

I keep going back to the guest post that Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg wrote for me a year ago, called We Are Not the Enemy. In it she says "I am not your enemy. I am your ally, and I am your child's ally. Now and always." So, I guess I'm writing this now to tell the autistic people who are reading this that I, too, am not your enemy. I am not afraid of autism; I do not hate autism, and I can help bridge the gap between our two groups. I want to learn from you, and I want to stand beside you as you fight for your rights. You are my child's future and I want to help you as you make the world a better place for yourselves; and for him.



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:: claps hands:: so well said. Thank you Jill for wanting to be that bridge.
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BrillIant. Such an awesome post that says everything that I believe in. And I too have been in the exact same position that you find yourself in when you leave comments.

Bravo.
It's funny, I sit here thinking I totally relate, but then I worry that the phrase "I can relate" could be offensive, since my kid is not Autistic. I've also, argued with people over politics, then half way through, I simply can't. The people on the other end of the argument get really offended and angry, and I don't have that in me, so often I realize that I am just having a give and take conversation, while they are having a knock down drag out. My son has problems. When he was born, my wife didn't dilate, after 48 hours of induced labor, they did an emergency C section. He came out with a streatched out head Like that thing on Alien. He still has scars from his fingers getting stuck under his nose trying to squeeze through the birth canal. Did that make him unable to read? We home school, I wory that I am screwing up my kids social skills. I took bad advice as a young parent and spanked my boy... he still remembers it like a traumatic event at 17.

I think I can see the other side of just about every argument. I often find myself on both sides. I like my liberal friends, they are fun, I like my conservative friends, they are....fun...ish. My Libertarian friends love to argue politics because they get to claim they are above it all... that can also be fun while being totally annoying. I once had a black friend tell me I didn't know how hard it was to be a black man in America. I told him, "hell, the easiest thing in the world is to be a black man in America! Me? I have to get a good job, support my family, raise my kids, stay married, and all at a proper age to do so.. this is expected of me as a white guy. But you? hell, if you do any one of those things you are a fucking success!!"
That is an example of how I tend to not get what is so damn different about us all. And why we argue. We all want the same thing. I know how difficult it must be to be in his shoes, I know how hard it must be to be in any shoes really. But we still think our problems or opinions are special to us. It's crazy.
I once over heard a woman say, "yes, I know there are stains on my shirt, but I ignore those on others and hope they will give me the same courtesy". Maybe that doesn't seem profound to most, but it made me think.
OK, enough of my rambling, I need more gin.
1 reply · active 678 weeks ago
This is really, really good.
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Crack You Whip · 678 weeks ago

I think it is great that you want your blog to go into a positive direction speaking about this. I try to keep my blog positive and face issues without "drama."

Good for you and this was very well-written on the subject!
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I don't understand why there is so much conflict and why so many adults who have aspergers and autism claim to really hate their parents and some have even cut ties with them, when all the parents I know would walk through fire for their kids and have given up so much to try and help them :(
28 replies · active 677 weeks ago
love. That is all.

remember--that was also the CORE of MLK's message--LOVE.

and as we all know, love ain't easy.

diggin yer growth, and looking forward when i am further out of this first stage.

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So I am new to this self advocacy thing because I am newly self diagnosed. I always knew I was different but it wasn't until my son was diagnosed that I went through this other journey of self diagnosis. Every online test I take screams yes you are an Aspie. Anyways maybe I am different but the most offensive things (so far) that have offended me are words like "epidemic" and "cure" and "I hate autism" or "autism sucks". Even prior to my self diagnosis I have always said that I think it is okay to want to help your child work on certain behaviors to a certain extent. For my son it was that he would meltdown and then hit others. No matter how brilliant he was no one would see that if he was hitting them. For another parent they are just trying to get their child to communicate. Of course that is my son's underlying issue as well and the meltdown was his way of communicating. Part of his communicating is self advocacy. In order for him to self advocate he must first have acceptance. If he is on the journey of acceptance and he constantly sees negative language it will affect him to his core. I understand, all parents that I have met would literally walk through fire for their kids (well maybe not the one's in my blog post today but lets stick to the great parents I have met in social media) but when they use certain words it hits a nerve and causes an emotional reaction. I have been trying to figure out a way to write a blog post thoroughly about this without being offensive to parents. But someone please help me understand why the words need to be used? For example I am all about saying Fuck but I decided for the most part on my blog I would not use that word because it is offensive to some people. Some of my co-workers find it offensive so I don't say it around them. I think it in my head but I don't say it or put it in print because I know someone else attaches a different emotion to that word. Why can't parents realize that we attach an emotion to those words and try to not put them in writing on their blog post? I am trying to understand the other side of the argument.
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6 replies · active 678 weeks ago
I think you're so brave. I want to be like you when I grow up. I'm too chicken-poo to voice an opinion in any of these conversations because I'm so terrified of offending anyone. I get so twisted up inside that I don't even know what my opinion is from one day to the next. I'll be lurking around, taking it all in, and trying to figure out how I feel and what I think. Hopefully, I'll do some growing up and jump in at some point. =)
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Jill, I must have missed a lot but this such such a good write, I just had to tell you "Well Done!"
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I think that any way a person feels about autism is okay. Whether they hate it or love or are absolutely indifferent. Everyone is at a different stage in life with their dealing with it if it even affects them at all. My son has Aspergers and he can be more trouble some days than others and I know at times it's just him being a boy and a child and other times it's the autism popping in to remind me it's still there.
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I dnt know what to say..except "Awesome"!. I feel new to this as a parent. I think I'm over the "what if's" and "what did I do's". But I can't be sure. Over all I've realized I really love my son for who he is and each of my kids have their own particular way of being a pain in my ass :D
I wanna thank you for you and your blog as I feel like a novice to blogging and this whole Autism thing. So, again thank you for your post, your humor, and your blog.
peace out!
I think that is KEY: WE ARE NOT ENEMIES. Even if we don't all agree, we shouldn't view each other like that. It's just sad... :(
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A-FREAKING-MEN! ::Fist Bump::
YES! Exactly! I love this post. I feel the SAME way!
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I missed the origin of all this, but this post was well written. Kudos. (my teen daughter was recently diagnosed on the spectrum with PDD-NOS )
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Brenda /Mama Be Good · 678 weeks ago

Jill, thank you for being open, for being brave enough to consider other views, for being courageous enough to stand up and say, "I will," and for keeping those communication lines open. I'm on the side of love. And I'll stand with you.
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I see how autism gives my son just as many strengths as it does weaknesses, so I can't hate autism. But that is just MY experience. I can't speak for Ann Marie or anyone else. I can't even really speak for my son. That being said, I think compassion is always the way to approach something, and so if you know that you might be offending a group of people, why not speak more politically correct? For example, "I hate seeing my son get so upset when he's overstimulated," as opposed to, "I hate autism." There are SO MANY layers and complexities to the spectrum and to each person on it, so I can understand how generalizing it so simply with "hate" can be offensive. I can also see how generalizing it so simply with "accept" can be oversimplifying it. I'm on the side of accept, and for that I am grateful. But I can't pretend to know what everyone else is going through.
2 replies · active 678 weeks ago
I'm glad that you don't hate autism; that's a good start. And I'm glad that you're trying to be an ally, but I think you still have a ways to go. That's not an insult. As a non-disabled person, this isn't going to come naturally to you. I appreciate that you're working to understand us. Keep working.

I'm having a lot of thoughts about this essay, so I'll start with this one: accusations of “black-and-white thinking” are used to pathologize autistic people when we speak up about our lives. So I was very scared when I saw you using that phrase, becasue when people tell autistic folks that we're engaging in “black-and-white thinking,” they so often mean “What you're saying isn't a valid argument, it's just an autism symptom, so I don't have to listen."

If you want to have respectful conversations with autistic adults, accusing us of being black-and-white cookies is not the way to go.
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I think the bigger picture here is no one likes being told how they should feel, and that is exactly what is happening on both sides. Instead of saying, "This is my experience, have you considered this point of view," the conversations are deteriorating into, "No! You're wrong! This is how you should feel!" and in the case of the parents, we're being told that when we have the "wrong" feelings, we're damaging our children. This makes us angry because we really are trying the best we can, so to attack our parenting to say that we're damaging our children by loving them and trying to give them the very best we can is going to cause a lot of anger and resentment. So while self advocates say that the parents are using the wrong language, maybe they too should look at how they are approaching the issue. I can tell you that the bully argument is somewhat valid. I've seen very hostile conversations where I've felt like if I entered into them that yes, I would be ridiculed and demeaned for what I do for my children by the self advocates, even though it's the very best I know how to do. Instead, I'd like to see mutually respectful discussions, and that may mean a few hurt feelings on the way to figuring out how to make that happen, but I do think it can happen.
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Such a great post Jill and why I love you, I think it all comes down to respecting peoples differences and honoring their opinions whether they have autism, are the parent of someone with autism or are working with people with autism. I have learned so much more from realizing that everyone has the opinions they have for a reason.
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This so needs a slow clap. In all seriousness though. I love what you are trying to do. Where I live, it is such a small community which means an even smaller autism community. I feel, often times, that I have very little support. I would love to learn from the people who are living with autism. I would love to be able to get some insight into my kiddo. I think this is a great thing you are trying here. I am behind you 1 million percent.
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Wish I'd said that. Thank you.

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