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Friday, June 3, 2011

PenisGate

Edit: This was the book that was suggested

Remember how I told you that my kid whipped out his dick on the Kindergarten yard? And that I was thinking about sending an email with subject line of "Penises" ? Well, the other moms got to it first and today I received 3 emails on the subject of said penises. Apparently the 2 other boys were asked about The Penis Incident and, like any politician, they both denied the whole thing. The moms were embarrassed and hoped to put a stop to this behavior immediately. I replied that not only did my kid tell me all about it, he actually demonstrated to me his penis showing technique (that was a proud moment, lemme tell ya).

I'm totally not at all bothered by this. Am I supposed to be? Then again, I'm the mom who sat there and watched the same exact kids play this tag game where you had to show your underwear if you were tagged (I was base) until another mom came along and put a stop to it. I didn't see anything wrong with that, either. Was I supposed to see something wrong with that?

I mean, we've had the "private parts are private" talk and in theory he knows the concept, but he's fucking 5! Of COURSE he's going to show his willy if his little friends are doing it, too (he's a follower, my kid; not a leader); especially if it's part of some crazy 5 year old game they're playing.

I think I'm supposed to be upset about this, and I think I'm supposed to really want to put a stop to it (the other moms had book suggestions). Except I just think it's normal kid behavior, there's no need to shame them for it, right? As long as we teach them to respect themselves and respect each other, shouldn't that be it? On the other hand, my kid was the only one who didn't lie about it later, so I must be doing something right. Right???? (Seriously, if any of you reading this have, like, a degree in Developmental Psychology or something, feel free to chime in here.)

Fucking NT kids and their complicated social issues. I swear, I'm totally fucking clueless most of the time. If this was an issue with my autie kid I would know exactly what to do, how to do it, who to talk to, etc. But with the typical kid I feel like I'm just making shit up as I go (because I am).

Hubs and I were discussing this issue and he says he thinks the kid's preschool spoiled him by not making him ashamed enough of his nakedness. I had actually completely forgotten about it. (I'm dumb). Related.



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Not a devlopmental psychologist, but a qualified social worker, if that'll do? It's normal.
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heheheh...penisgate...hehehe
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Taught little kiddies 2 1/2 to 6 at the Montessori...normal, normal, normal. Everyone else needs to get over it.
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Well, the panty-showing game doesn't encourage modesty and decorum in children, so I would certainly not let my child play. But seriously, you got BOOK suggestions? Stuff like this is normal, and I wouldn't encourage it (at all), but it sounds like you have some overparenting parents around. Are they the young and perfect type?
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Most important thing here? He told the truth. "Hell yeah I whipped my willy out, Mama!"

I'm pretty sure that *when* my son does the same thing, I'll probably handle it the way you did.

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I discussed with a friend who is all on the up and up on child development stuff. She and I both agree that you're doing something right if your kid is the only one who didn't lie, and THEY'RE FIVE YEAR OLD BOYS. They tend to do this sort of thing.
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Sarcasm in Action · 721 weeks ago

I have daughters. And I avoid my hubby like the plague, so I know nothing about penises.
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I love that he was honest! That's autism for ya! Schools and parents do get freaked out about these things. They are all looking at liability and reputations...you know that superficial stuff.
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I probably shouldn't chime in because my baseline for most things are "is anyone hurt, is anyone bleeding?" So, yeah, not so good with the parenting stuff.

But it seems pretty normal to me. Boys keep playing that game right into adulthood.

My son runs in when I'm getting dressed and grabs my boobs. That's probably wrong too.

Boys are weird.
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I dunno. My boys are a little younger, and while I don't really want them to be gathering in a group and showing off their wangs, it does seem pretty much typical. I don't think they grow out of it either. I mean, my husband constantly tries to whip his out and make me look at at. What? Not the same thing? Either way, it does not thrill me, but I put up with it. :)
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Glad I have girls. I know, not a very helpful answer.
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You're an awesome f-ing mom!!! But we knew that already! Go, child 2!
Book suggestion. Lol. Is that what I think it is? Dear Lord!
SO part of being a kid.
Undergrad in child psych (for what that's worth) and mother of two older boys. It's normal. And he didn't lie about it. Which IS complete in your favor!
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Honesty is way better than a little freeballin' in my book.
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That's what I think!!
Nobody got hurt..no limbs are missing...no blood was spilled..they are kids, this is what kids do....Curiousity plain and simple. The daycare made them ashamed to be naked??? Now there I have a problem, makes kids ashamed of being naked and that could be setting them up for something worse in the future..just my opinion
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No, the preschool was what I call "clothing optional" they encouraged the kids to let their freak flags fly
You know I'm on your side with this one! Something I didn't get into on Twitter because, well, it's kind of not something I wanted to share with the world, and also, it didn't fit into 140 words, is that when I was 5, I got in trouble for dropping my drawers on the playground. I was a tomboy, and honestly, looked like a boy with my short hair. The kids were teasing me and saying I wasn't a girl, and I said I was, and they said prove it, so I did. Boy was I in trouble! Not the other kids, just me. So embarrassing! The only time I ever got in trouble at recess.
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Mckellipgirl · 721 weeks ago

Penis Gate... Hahaha

My son is in the willy whipping out stage at the moment too. He just puts it away when it's got a cool breeze (aparently it gets a little stuffy in his underoos)

Anyway, point is, it's normal to look but to tell the truth about why? You're doing well in my book! (I can suggest that to you if you want... :P)
It's just what boys do. Hell, I'm 30, and if you want to see my tater tot, I'll show ya.

Maybe it's a guy thing? Maybe it's a certain-type-of-guy thing? As long as he's not trying to stick it into little Suzie's mouth, or dropping trou in the middle of class, what's a little harmless exhibitionism?
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Having read SEVERAL (he, I nearly typed sexeral) books on child sexuality & what's appropriate for different age groups - it's absolutely not only normal, but also acceptable by child sex psychologists! So long as the 'peers' are all roughly within a 2-3 yr age difference their 'self sexual awareness' is normal.

Personally, if I was the other moms, I'd be more concerned about my child lying to me than he showing his dingle & berries to his buddies.

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You are doing something right if the boyo trusted you enough to tell the truth
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I have a niece and a nephew (not brother and sister) the same age as my elder son. We caught all three of them at that age examining each others' parts. We gave them a book and told them they had to have a license to look at real people's parts, like a doctor or married people. They seemed to find that perfectly reasonable and their curiousity was satisfied.
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Totally normal behavior...one or the neighbor kids almost drank "lemon-aid" from a cup that two other's just peed into. I swear, I don't know what to do with normal NT boys!!!!
completely normal. when/if the other moms ask if you read the recommended books on the subject tell them you thought about it but then you remembered that you son is FIVE and that you would rather wait until he is a teen to guilt him into feeling shame about his body. ; )
I think you are just fine! The other moms had book suggestions? Did you suggest they use your son as an example of how to own up to your actions?

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You said it all...you raised him right because he told you and didn't lie. What the hell is up with those other moms? Book suggestions..pffftttttt! You handled it perfectly. For gosh sakes...he is 5. Kids do that at that age. You taught him responsibility for his actions.

And don't worry...we all wing it and hope we get them to adult years without too many failures. If it was easy we would be perfect parents. AND someone would have written a manual to get it right. Awesome post, for a great mom!
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See, this is why I didn't want a boy. My little sister was the nudist, my younger brother is "on the spectrum" and we haven't seen him nude since he was like 3-4ish. He even covers his nipples if you walk in on him in pants but no shirt. For some reason these rules don't apply when in swim wear but yeah. And after all the tales of Rilla as a child I have a feeling I'm going to have my hands full with Lil'Raver when he gets to the point he can undress himself. He's already a flirt (he totally has the Joey from Friends eyebrow "how YOU doin'?" look down). I don't know how to HANDLE these things. Lol

I do however like the idea of a clothing optional pre-school. Maybe thats just 'cuz I'm a crazy hippie.
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...spoiled by not making him ashamed enough - OMG - that is the funniest thing.
We are so fucking utilitarian, even when we try sooooo hard to fight it. HAHAHAHA.
I'm still avoiding telling my 2yr olds the actual word "Penis" - I just call it their "front" - I'm really not ready for 2 toddlers to be running around the house screaming PENIS. By WHY should I care? ME? The big fat whore? It boggles my mind.
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Previewing the privates must be a kindergarten thing. My kindergarten daughter had the pleasure of seeing a classmates personal business. The mother was mortified, the teacher justly concerned. We didn't make a big deal out of it, however, we now refer to the little boy as Private Tucker. But only in private.
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I took developmental Psych lol- I'm pretty sure it's normal :) My autie son decided to whip his out at the playground AND pee off the equipment...it can always be worse ;)
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I worked in with 4/5 y/o for 6 years...it's normal. And your doing something RIGHT because he told you the truth and wasn't ashamed. Wow, book suggestions...lol. I'm curious what books where those.
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I just put the link up at the top :)
Showing your penis is bad. Ask Anthony Weiner about that. He'd tell you!
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I absolutely agree with you that this is normal kid behaviour. Not only that, I think you dealt with the situation the way these sort of things SHOULD be dealt with. It is not a big deal. Leave the outrage for bullies, guns and skinned cats.

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You know, if other parents were as calm about their children's normal behavior, there would be no need for televangelists. We are just wayyyyyy too uptight about anything sexual, even if it is normal developmental behavior.

The fact that your son didn't lie when you asked him about it is the awesome part. That is a level of trust unheard of in parent-child relations!
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You know you were right. I find it strange that, in Berkeley, you are finding these uptight moms all freaked out about simple innocent curiosity by 5 year olds in the same place where the preschoolers are encouraged to go run naked and free! The book's not bad. It just seems to me, by drawing more attention to the subject, it's changing what it is to something "dirty" or "wrong" and that is where the problem lies. You, on the other hand, did not do this and that's probably why you will always get honesty from your child! Great job mama!
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Wait. He's how old? 5? Yeah, that's no big.

It's the lying that would bug me. And should bug the parents.
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