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Sunday, January 22, 2012

"All Kids Do That" Part 6: Appropriate Responses

Today's contributor is my straight haired twin, Dawn, who blogs at This Side of Typical. YAY Dawn!



"All kids do that": Appropriate Responses.

So my curly haired twin, Jillsmo, is hosting this series about how the things we go through as Autism parents is NOT just like what parents of “typie” kids go through. There was a trend on Twitter a while back-- #youmightbeanautismparentif where we shared the challenges and joys of raising a child with autism. It wasn’t really for anyone OTHER than autie parents, but as we have friends and followers with typical kids, there were a few “well, MY kid does that too” comments made. And it rubbed some of us the wrong way. Ok, a lot of us.

So I’m talkin to my Old Man about it, and he sees nothing wrong with the statement. That they are trying to comfort us and offer empathy—that they are trying to say—“hey, your kid is practically typical!” And you know what? That still bugs.

So then I get going on some intense navel gazing, which is my habit really. Either I am an optimist or I am tapping into my inner Puritan focusing on self–perfection, but I’m always thinking “what am *I* doing wrong?”

Example: there’s a section of Lankershim Blvd (for those of you who know LA) in which the cars around me CONSTANTLY pac-man (not staying in their lane, “eating” the hash marks, if you will). ALL THE TIME. And what do I think? “How am I driving wrong that people do this around me? I don’t hear anyone else bitch about this part of the road…” You see, I spend a lot of time trying to find fault with what I’m doing rather than place blame.

Until it becomes so obvious that thinking like that would lead to an ulcer. Then I will place blame wholeheartedly.

So I’ve been trying to figure out how to work my brain around this concept. Am I just being defensive? Is there a humongous chip on my shoulder when it comes to Autism? Why can’t I just see the empathy and camaraderie that some folks are trying to convey?

Ok. First problem: the phrase “some” folks. We know that within the people who are just trying to be comforting are the folks that are internally saying:

  • quit bitchin about your kid—we don’t care about autism
  • life is no harder than yours, so you don’t get the right to bitch
  • ok, this is when we stop talking about you and start talking about me

So, as well meaning as “some” people are—we don’t necessarily hear it amongst all the others. Because once you’ve heard any of those other tones, it’s hard to hear the good stuff.

Second problem: that trend wasn’t to say “oh, look at how hard my life is,” but rather a “hey, we’re not alone in this, are we?” Because that’s what our internet relationships are like in the Autie world. 99% of my friends with kids with Autism are internet relationships. And without them I would be a fucking mess (as compared to the chaste mess I am currently?) We reach out to these other parents for a sense of community we may not have around us due to lack of connection or *ahem* a hermit-like misanthropic view on life. *ahem*

And as I’m diving deeper into my bellybutton (wow, that’s a lot of lint) I realize that as much as it is annoying because our lives are very different from the lives of typical parents, it’s boiling down to more of a courtesy thing that’s buggin me.

To help clarify this, I will step AWAY from Autism.

[Let it be noted that I am NOT comparing Autism to cancer in any way. This is hyperbole. Thank you—the management.]

Let’s say you have Cancer. Like ovarian or something that has made you infertile. And you’ve never had a kid even though you always wanted one. And you are going through a round of chemo. So you are physically sick and emotionally sick and you feel like you’re dying, BECAUSE YOU ARE, and while you are normally a stoic survivor, you feel like ass, so you take a moment to have a pity party and complain about the nausea and lack of energy that chemo does to you. And your fertile friend Sally with her eight kids in tow and a big belly looks at you and says “yeah, all my pregnancies make me feel like that too.”

You wanna smack her, right? Like hard. With a chair.

Because in ANY situation in which a person is sharing a hardship (I’m not talking complaining here—that’s an entirely different topic) there are only a few respectful responses:

  • That must be tough
  • That sounds entirely frustrating
  • What can I do to help?
  • Do you like your margaritas blended or on the rocks?

Because when someone is sharing—I mean really sharing, there is no place for a story about you, unless you are asked something like “what would you do,” in which case you can totally tell them how you had to hide the body that one time, and boy, blood just will NOT come out of shag carpeting.

And don’t get me wrong, I struggle with this as well. Sometimes I catch myself doing it, and then I feel like an eejit and then offer baked goods in exchange for my callousness. And when someone really breaks down and shares all sorts of tragic, touchy feely shit, I am often mute when people share with me because I feel like ANYTHING I say will sound stupid—and that’s tagged me as a good listener. Which is odd, considering my hatred for anything remotely involved in human emotion.

So, maybe what I’m trying to say is that it might be a good idea to THINK before you SPEAK. Revolutionary, I know.

We aren’t complaining. We are sharing. Our lives, while seemingly the same, are DIFFERENT. Period. A completely different paradigm. (wow, I haven’t used this much vocabulary since college!) We are not saying it is worse, or better, or the same. We are just SAYING. And all we are really looking for is a nod an a refill.

Maybe that’s our problem. We need more bartenders in our life. Yes. That’s it! When you don’t know what to say, bring out your internal bartender! I don’t know about you, but for me, he ALWAYS has the right response.



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Well put. *snort* "chaste mess" BWAHAHAHA!
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I liked that one, too
Offering alcohol is ALWAYS a good response.
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It's hard not to pay attention to nay sayers, but I'm glad their life is simple and mapped out for them.

Before I started blogging, I really didn't know many parents who had kids with autism. Now, I know many and talking to them and sharing "our" problems has made things easier for me and my family.
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I once had someone online, tell me that having pets was the same as having kids...then she quipped that the difference was that they didn't stick their pets with some day care for someone else to raise.
As my friend Jillsmo was pulling my rhetorical hands from this womans throat, I said to her "I'm sorry I'm just a little upset...I'm worried that my goldfish won't get in to the right school".

I've also had people say that living together with their current squeeze was exactly the same as being married.
These things tend to drive me up a friggin' wall.

I had this really hard job just recently. Other guys had a job wearing the same uniform, but like half the work... it wasn't the same..But they often tried to commiserate with me about how tough it is.

In this situation I have to let it go, since they have no idea how shitty my job really was.

Now I have to ask myself, if these points I am making are something that reads like I feel your pain and understand... or are they annoying like "yeah me too"... I don't know. So I'm off to the liquor cabinet to join you all in a stiff one.
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Whenever I hear somebody say something like that about their pet, I ALWAYS think of your goldfish line and giggle.

And can I just add that the person who said that (who reads my blog, by the way. HI!!) has since had her own kid. I wonder if she's worried about her own goldfish now.... ;)
Chaste mess!!!!! hahahaha! Sorry. I laugh with you, honestly, because I'm a hot mess most days and y'all, my peeps, help keep me on this side of the straight jacket and AA meetings.

Now that I'm older, and maybe slightly wiser, I've realized there are just some things people can't wrap their heads around unless they experience it first hand. For example, my family. We ate gluten free for about a year when we thought our 5yo was possibly celiac or had a gluten intolerance. He's not and doesn't. Fast forward about 18mos later, and my stepmom IS diagnosed celiac. She and my dad try to talk to me about eating gluten free, and what it entails. I've often said, "Yes, I know. Remember that year we ate gluten free for A? I told you all this stuff then if you had listened."
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YESYESYES!!!! When a certain friend says, "Oh, there's NO WAY he's autistic! He gives hugs and looks at me!" I WANT TO FUCKING SLAP HER!!! And when I post on facebook some of my xanax-inducing moments and someone says, "Oh, he smeared jelly all over the wall? Lol, my kid did that once too, But I made her clean it up!" Or "yeah, my kid lines stuff up too, I think all kids go through that phase." Or maybe, "He'll stop banging his head when it hurts bad enough. Mine did that too. He's just normal."

At times, I want to do physical harm to these people, or at least go off on them using every foul word in my arsenal. Why? Because they're talking about a one or two time incident. I'm talking about our everyday life.

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Because they laugh about it and take pix of the mess their kid made, to post to facebook. I look at what my son has done to my house and I want to cry, because it's neverending.

Because IT'S NOT "NORMAL" for an 8 year old boy's favorite toy to be my eggbeater and a wooden train he had when he was 2. Because the wheels spin and it goes in circles. And he drew eyes on it and gave it a name. And told me it's his "new best friend."

Because IT'S NOT "NORMAL" for an 8 year old to be unable to tie his shoes, even though he really wants to learn how. You see, he has motor planning difficulties.

Because IT'S NOT "NORMAL" for him to rock back and forth and repeat the word "banana" for 11 minutes, to calm himself down after he has a meltdown in the backseat of the car.

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Because IT'S NOT "NORMAL" for an 8 year old to scream, cover his head and hide in the wheel-well when we go through a carwash, but run into the street without a second thought.

Because his 12 year old sister shouldn't have to call me on my cell and say, "Don't forget to pick up a puzzle for Zach. PLEASE get him one, he's been talking about it for 45 minutes and I can't stand it." Because he's obsessive, and NO AMOUNT of telling him to be quiet will stop him. It's not within his control.

Because these NT parents don't have to watch their son completely lose it, start spinning and stimming and then laugh hysterically, all in the space of 15 minutes.

Because those things are OUR normal, and any parent who tries to invalidate the struggle we face everyday by saying, "OMG! ME TOO! *SQUEE!* can just FUCK OFF.

Because we have EARNED the right to say, "Holy SHIT. Me. Fucking. Too."

I think I just wrote my next blog post.
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The whole time I was reading this I was totally envisioning you scooping massive amounts of coffee grinds into your mouth and talking at the speed of light lol. Good write and a lot to take in.

Now...I LOVE Jill. I don't know you so I can't say the same but if I DID know you, I'd probably love you too because that's just who I am but I digress. I am a parent of a typical (maybe sort of....well, gifted, not typical but not on the spectrum...whew!) child. I was guilty of one of the comments. Not a bad one, but a "Oh, my son does that" comment that upsets people.

Here's a perspective: If my son does it too, doesn't it just mean that you aren't alone after all? I mean who really gives a shit why the child does it just as long as your child isn't the only one doing it right? If it were another Spectrum parent saying it, you'd co-miserate.....but my son does a lot of those things and while he may not be diagnosed on the spectrum he has an identification of gifted and struggles in many of the same ways.....and I am a parent and I can relate.....Why would I not say that? Am I excluded as a parent because my child isn't on the spectrum? Because I figure, we all have one thing in common. We all have children and they all have quirks. Whether they are diagnosis related or not doesn't really matter to me because I barely believe in diagnosis anyway. Why can't our children just be who they are and be accepted for that, ya know??

I understand how it must be hard to separate the well-meaning from the skeptics but does it matter all that much what some invisible person on twitter thinks about your childs quirks as compared to their child? After all, their child probably wipes shit on the wall too....He just hasn't been caught doing it yet.

So.....now that I have rambled on and on and I hope it all made sense and wasn't offensive, I've just gonna tiptoe on outta here and get the kiddies ready for bed. School tomorrow and that is a small blessing. Just wanted to offer my perspective.

TTFN

Bella
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Bella--for the most part, we can tell when a parent is simply commiserating. THis post really isn't for them. Because i think it's safe to say we get that.

what we also get is when people say it as a way to belittle and poo-poo what may be a true frustration for us. Their motives are not commiseration, and we know it.

It's just kinda hard to read TONE on the interwebs.

That said--this was really a post on manners. I just think its rude (partly from the way i was raised) to simply but in your own story when someone is really sharing a frustration/hardship. I also don't find it appropriate to share personal stories when someone shares grief or heartache, unless the story is used to show how to overcome it. I truly believe that one of the reasons people choose to share with me in times of trouble is because i try desperately to keep myself out of it until i hear the magic words "what would you do?" Empathy begins with listening. I only commiserate with others who i know well and when i grasp that the share isn't based on pure frustration.

I am not saying don't commiserate--although as i reread what i wrote i completely understand how that can be construed. i am saying, as i have always said to just think before you speak. And that's true in any situation.

But my post aside---read the other posts in this series. They say it much better than i how sometimes even commiseration just doesn't cut it.
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Bella, I totally get what you're saying, and actually this is kind of the point of what I'm trying to do here with this series, it's to explain that while it may *seem* that our kids are doing the same thing, when my kid does it... it's just different. And I don't know how to explain why that is, which is why I've asked all these people to help me out. It's not meant to exclude anybody, it's to try to make you understand why it is that these things are different. This is #6 in my series and there are more that touch on specific issues, and maybe we're not accomplishing my goal of trying to explain things? I don't know, it's possible that you really just have to live it to "get it" and I swear I don't mean that in an exclusive way (i.e. it's an autism thang.... you wouldn't understand....) it just is what it is.

Hope that makes sense...
It makes perfect sense. I understand it is different. It's different no matter what you struggle with. I respect all you do and all your hardships and I admire the strength spectrum parents need to get through each day. I just want you and other spectrum parents to know that I never meant any offense and I'm sure other parents don't either. From one struggling parent, to hopefully (that sounded totally wrong but I hope you get what I mean) another, maybe I don't understand how different it is, but I do understand what its like to feel alone and to feel judged and misunderstood and I totally know what it is like to watch your child struggle in those ways. Listen, I'm just an NT parent trying to understand. That HAS to be better than nothing, right??
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I KNOW.... with 100% certainty, that you and all my other friends have meant no offense, and when I started to feel defensive, that was when I thought I should try to explain, instead.

What Dawn said up there sums it up perfectly, though: "once you’ve heard any of those other tones, it’s hard to hear the good stuff." Bear with us!!!
Bella, from what I've read, my rant is in no way aimed at you, or people like you, and I'm sorry if I came across as harsh or angry or in need of psychiatric care. It sounds like you truly want to be there for the kiddos who need it (and their crazy parents, too). We just had a really, REALLY rough weekend here, and it was either, 1. Take LOTS of xanax, 2. beat my children (not really), 3, cry or 4. go off.

I did a little of 1, none of 2, some of 3 and A LOT of 4.

Thank you for offering a different perspective. I guess I'm so used to being judged that I automatically become defensive.
I had two NT kids, and then my ASD son. Nothing can prepare for you for raising an autistic child. And I understand the impulse by parents of NT kids to try to find some way to 'join' with us by trying to find the points of connection. I know I would have done the same thing Bella as you by pointing out the commonalities in an attempt to show solidarity. I appreciate you attempting to understand. Really I do. But you can't really. And that's no ones fault.
I suppose it just feels invalidating when parents of NT kids try to say they understand. When we know they can't possibly. But I appreciate there is no malice or intent to dismiss. It comes from a good place and we ASD parents need to remember that. Unless of course it is actually said with arrogance, and then they can get fucked xD
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Hugs. You may not believe this, but I totally get it. I may not have a child on the spectrum but you'd be hard pressed to prove he wasn't if you were standing within his range when he was pitching bags of bagels across the supermarket or commenting LOUDLY and rudely about someone cloric intake because they seem "big" to him. I know what it is like to have your struggles downgraded because too many assume that my gifted child is a 4 ft freaking adult with no right to have a tantrum or behave like a child. I get it.

I also understand what you're saying about empathy. However, when I read those posts on Twitter, it seems like you are laughing in spite of the seriousness of it all (because better to laugh than to cry). If you'd come on Twitter and said, "I've had enough. I'm so sad and frustrated becase my child...blah blah..." I certainly wouldn't respond with "OMG ME TOO!"

So I think maybe the tone was misunderstood in those tweets. Also, just so you are aware and trust me, I'm putting on my husbands spare pair of balls right now just to get through admitting this, but I was and still sometimes am afraid that my son may be somewhere on that spectrum. Most of the time, I try to just pretend I'm not struggling, but if I come back with a "My son does that" remark, it's in an introspective way while I am trying to work out the issues I am having.

Between the tones being easier to misunderstand online and the plain need for me (and I am sure many other parents) to find other parents we can relate to, it sounds like a misunderstanding.

And for the record, even with all my fears and concerns put aside and ignored, I'd be FAR more likely to admit that my son was TOTALLY pissing in a basket full of dirty clothes in his room and still at 10 years old can't wipe his ass OR tie his shoes (and he tries), to an autism parent, because at least I know I'd find support, rather than judgment.
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I don't have any autism kids. But. My 22mo has issues. Severe sensory issues. Food, sounds, touch. Don't get me started on trying to wipe a runny nose or change her clothes. Or if I forget one of the three sound machines in her room. Or if I have the tv on a certain show with certain sounds at certain times. Except I dont know when those certain times are because shes two and doesnt talk or crawl or sit up, and has just recently learned to feed herself, and holy fuck people just don't understand.

My MIL actually told me to just let my kid go hungry because eventually shed get hungry enough to eat. No. No she won't. She will just lose weight and fall off the growth chart. Because sensory issues are beyond describing and people with NT kids? They don't get it.

I can only imagine the scope of the other autism characteristics. *glass raised to autie parents*
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First let me confess: I do not officially have an autistic child. (Do I have to leave the comments section now? Please don't kick me out!) I have a child who was diagnosed as "borderline" and has some sensory issues, and I have another child with a so-called "invisible illness": Type I Diabetes. My kids both look typical and people don't have a clue what our life is really like.

I can relate in sooooo many ways to this series, though. (Actually I relate to many of the posts, that's why I keep reading here.) The part about "there is no place for a story about you" is so true, in so many situations. Argh. The well-meaning parent who tells me a story about having to deny her kid a cupcake because it makes the kid hyper doesn't GET that it's different... I have to deny my kid a cupcake at certain times because it could kill her. Literally. I realize they're trying to relate, and it probably comes from a good place, but really, sometimes it actually points out the differences more than it makes me feel we're the same.
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