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Monday, July 11, 2011

Autism and anti-depressants

Hey, I haven't had an angry autism-related rant in a little while, I think I'm due, don't you? Yeah.

I have angrily ranted here before about how science has failed us, the parents of children with autism. I won't repeat myself except to say that science has failed us: the parents of children with autism. Nobody knows what causes autism. NOBODY. Even the people who claim that they know what causes autism... they're wrong. They don't know. Science doesn't know, parents don't know, all we can do is guess, really. Some combination of genetic and environmental factors. Or perhaps just genetic factors? Or perhaps just environmental factors? Did I mention yet that nobody knows?

There's a new study out, done by Kaiser Permanente which says "Children whose mothers take Zoloft, Prozac, or similar antidepressants during pregnancy are twice as likely as other children to have a diagnosis of autism or a related disorder" (hmmmm. a health insurance provider, I wonder if there was any self-serving motivation behind this study or these findings? No, no... that would be silly and cynical of me to even suggest such a thing... forget I said anything). It says "children who were exposed to the drugs during the first trimester were nearly four times as likely to develop an autism spectrum disorder." It does not say that antidepressants cause autism. It does stay that further research is necessary and these findings would need to be confirmed in larger studies. There has been a lot of talk on The Internets about this study, Mothers of children with autism are blaming themselves (moreso) and women are wondering if they should stop taking their meds if they want to get pregnant.

Let me tell you about my experience.

First of all, I have been depressed my entire life and I take an SSRI for it. I came to terms, long ago, with the fact that my brain chemistry is fucked up and I need this medication in order to survive. I'm not embarrassed about this, I'm not afraid to mention it, this is a fact of my life. Anybody have a problem with that? You can go fuck yourself.

Doctors will always tell you that, during pregnancy, everything is a "risk assessment." Do the potential risks that come with staying on your medication outweigh the benefit that you get from taking it? Will your life fall apart if you go off the meds? Will you make it through the next 9 months without it? Will your child definitely not have autism as a result? You don't know the answer to that last question, it's all just a toss-up, what with that whole "science has failed us" thing I mentioned earlier.

When I got pregnant with Child 1 I did my "risk assessment" and decided to stop taking the meds. "Nobody really knows," the doctor told me, so I decided to stop for the health of my baby. And I was totally miserable for 9 fucking months. I was angry and irritable all the time and I developed debilitating panic attacks while trying to commute to and from work. But that wasn't the worst of it....

The Post Partum Depression started a few weeks before he was born and continued for 6 weeks after his birth until I finally said "fuck this," stopped trying (and failing) to breastfeed and went back on the meds. Maybe some of you are now thinking "yeah, but it ended eventually and autism is forever," and that's certainly true, but those 2 months of hell were, without question, the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Worse than autism. And if I had continued on that course it's possible that one day I would have taken my baby and stepped in front of a moving car. And he ended up with autism, anyway.

With Child #2 I did the same risk assessment and when things started to fall apart, like it did the first time, I said "fuck this" much earlier and went back on the meds when I was about 6 months pregnant. No PPD. And no autism.

So, what is my point? I'm certainly not saying that my personal experience is proof that there's no connection between SSRIs and autism, I'm just reiterating my original point that nobody knows and science has failed us. But if you're thinking of going off meds to get pregnant, or facing any of those choices right now, don't let what happened to me happen to you. Do your risk assessments and if things start to fall apart? Take care of yourself. First.

It's not my fault that my kid has autism but it was my fault that I didn't take care of myself. And to any of you who did take the meds and whose kids have autism? It's not your fault your kid has autism. We're screwed, us autism moms, because no matter what happens it seems like we're going to get blamed for it, but it's not our fault

I know a lot of my friends with kids on the spectrum are reading this, and I'll ask you all this: If you knew then what you know now, would you have done anything differently?

I would. Even with knowing everything that I know today? I would have taken the meds.



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Thank you for this post. From what I understand, there are serious flaws with this study. I don't know if you read Dooce, but there was a thread about this in her community where those with more expertise than me explain the issues.
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I think it's quite appalling that Dr's ever blame the mother for things that are not even close to their control. Can we control smoking and drinking while pregnant? Yes. Can we control our diet while pregnant? Yes. To try and find some way to blame the mother for Autism is disgusting. What next, eating chocolate while pregnant results in ADHD? Give me a break and go be better scientists.
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I was in the same boat with baby #1, quit taking the meds during first trimester and she has autism. Fast forward 11 years and lots of guilt for thinking my meds caused her autism and I went without meds for pregnancy #2 and #3 and none of them have autism. Do I remotely think this proves what caused my daughter to have autism? Nope. My eyes glaze over when I hear these studies now, everything is so political and the only things that get reported are the things "they" decide we should hear.
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As a very happy SNRI popper (SNRIs are obviously the posh version of SSRIs...you gotta keep with the trends girlfriend!) I took a sharp intake of breath when I came across these reports too.
One more guilt stick to beat ourselves with (and to be beaten with).
I'm 1000% with you that we need to look after ourselves first. This is the best rant I've listened to in ages! Screw them all!!
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I think you pretty much proved that taking SSRIs during pregnancy PREVENTS autism.
Yeah...well...there was another study that said women who didn't take pre-natal vitamins were more likely to have kids with autism. Since the use of prenatal vits. has gone up massively over the years, how the hell do they explain the rise in autism rates? No one took pre-natals 20 years ago when I was preggers with the eldest. I did eat unconscionable amounts of curried food however...and my kid came out neither autistic nor East Indian. Go figure.
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What a great post! People need to take reports such as that one with a grain of salt and dig a bit deeper to see if maybe, just maybe, there is an ulterior motive.

I find it frustrating that there is so much emphasis placed on the mothers-to-be to ensure that they do everything right for the unborn child . . . even if that means that they may be putting themselves at risk.
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Handflapper · 718 weeks ago

Good for you, Jilly. That study is a crock of shit.
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Staceybarney · 718 weeks ago

Couldn't it be more possible that there's a genitic component to it? A lot of autistic people need meds for depression/anxiety, couldn't the explanation be that you, as a parent, had these problems, and now your child has them too? Obviously they are all brain related disorders..Being a parent who has never been on any medicine, other than allergy shots as a child, having a child with Aspergers, it just doesn't make sense. There's another cause, another reason. At this point, I don't care HOW my child got it, I care about his living his life as normally as possible.
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Zoloft Mom · 718 weeks ago

Oh my gosh our stories are virtually identical! My #1 who was never exposed to an SSRI has autism, and my #2 who was exposed from 5 months gestation is just fine. I often wonder whether #1 would have been spared the autism if I had taken the SSRI during that pregnancy as well. But I didn't need the SSRI until after I delivered #1 and got really bad postpartum OCD. I went off it when I got pregnant with #2, but my symptoms came back with a vengeance and I had to go back on. I could not have survived my second pregnancy without my SSRI.

I think a study needs to be done to see if SSRI can *prevent* autism if taken by certain moms. Most depressed moms go off their meds for pregnancy - maybe they shouldn't?
Seems I woke up on a different day only to hear that stress had been linked to autism...seems like life without vital meds would be damn stressful too...the cause versus crap shoot notion does get rather irritating. If we can't figure out why some 90 year olds have eaten bacon everyday while living strong, while health nut 40 year olds die playing a game of hockey...how can we put our eggs in any study's basket.

Great post!
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I think I love you.

I am taking Prozac and am in my 24th week of my 3rd pregnancy. I've raked myself over the coals for taking the meds, but I can't function without them.

Love your stance on this and so glad you're brave enough to post about it. Gonna share this.

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They ALWAYS want to blame the moms! We're the only ones that are consistently around, and it's so convenient! Science be damned!
Good question Jill,and a though-provoking post. Yeah, as if we don't blame ourselves enough anyway. My son was born 12 days late. Do I wish I had just let them induce me the first week past my due date? Sure. I pushed for 3 hours and that kid had the cord wrapped around his neck during the delivery. Do I wish I'd been more proactive and better educated, and stopped relying on the docs and nurses and said; "GET THIS KID OUT, NOW! THIS WAY ISN'T WORKING". I don't know. Genetic. Environment. I lean toward environment with a soupçon of genetic :)
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Dude_WaitWhat. · 718 weeks ago

My goodness, you know "THEY" don't know what the fuck time it is. You're so brave and so smart. Know that you are loved and cared about. I say this, on behalf of all who follow you.
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MiddleFIngerGuy · 718 weeks ago

Good For You. I call bullshit on these studies. Kick Ass!
Eff that shit. I would have list my shit had I stopped taking my happy pills. My MIDWIFE agreed that I needed to stay medicated. My depression is a result of my brain not working correctly. Would they suggest a diabetic not take metformin or insulin? No.

It all comes back to the "fact" that we women are "hysterical" and mental illness is "in our heads."

I am very open about my depression & my zoloft because this stigma has GOT TO END!
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I don't have kids and I don't have a personal link to autism in my life, but I still appreciate so much that you wrote this. I'm on new meds and I think about getting pregnant all the time.

Also, never blame yourself. Sounds like you don't but I'm just saying it anyway. Blame Justin Bieber. It helps me when I blame Just Bieber.
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I'm with StaceyBarney on this. IF there is any link at all, it makes more sense to me that the genes responsible for a mothers depression may be an indication of some genetic risk for other neurological 'disorders' such as ASD. I wish these reseacrhers would shut the fuck up until they actually have something meaningful to contribute to the discussion.
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Brayden's Mom · 718 weeks ago

I have to be honest...whenever ever I hear a phrase with "new study" and "autism", I rarely, if ever, give a shit. Personally I don't give a rat's ass what caused it. Again, I understand that there are parents that do care and want to know because, god help them if they have a child with a "defect". Me, don't care...never did honestly. I never even did the blood work to see if my child had Down syndrome because, again, I didn't care. To me it was just like caring what color eyes or hair my kid would have....though I'll admit that I hoped like hell that my kiddos wouldn't have their daddy's nose or their grandpa's ears. Love them both, but my kiddos would have been some goofy lookin' kids ;-)
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Brayden's Mom · 718 weeks ago

OK, 2nd part of post (said it was too long for one?)

Any-hoo, I wasn't on anti-depressants during either pregnancy and seriously should have been! I was an emotional wreck during my whole first pregnancy and in non-stop panic attack mode during my second. And I have a son with autism....so there ya go. If I could go back in time and they would tell me that all I have to do is give up chocolate and I would be guaranteed that my son wouldn't be autistic, I'd still eat the chocolate. Not because I'm a self-bitch with a serious chocolate addiction (though I am during certain times of the month) but because it still wouldn't matter to me. Society is what is fucked up, not my kid. **Not usually so candid on blogging websites, but I'm PMS'ing and nearly 2 weeks late, so there ya go. And no, not preggers...you have to be exposed to a disease before you can catch it ;-)
Studies are done by people whose lunch money was stolen as a child. So they want to steal everyone else's lunch money.

I've been on antidepressants since I was 18, because if I'm not on them, I have the urge to set things on fire. (okay, not really, but ALMOST). And with my four pregnancies, I was on them for three. Those three kids? Totally fine. "normal", as it were.

The one kid I wasn't on them? She's weird. Severe sensory issues, infant epilepsy, developmental delays like WHOA.

Seems a tad counterintuitive. Stupid study people.
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I didn't know I needed meds until after the kids were born. What a difference it makes! If we get pregnant again, who knows what the decision will be. I agree that science has failed and I'm so cynical about any studies that come out now. There's always some ulterior motive. And I hatehatehate that they prey on the emotions/desperations of parents wanting answers. Let them come talk to me when I'm off my Lexapro and we'll see who walks away. =)
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I'm so sick of these studies that tell us nothing. When (if) they finally figure it all out, then I'll pay attention. If I'm not dead by then.
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I understand your feelings. I blamed myself for a long time because I had taken Cymbalta while pregnant with my son who has Asperger Syndrome. But talking to family and my husband, I realize Little D. would have been that way whether I had taken anything or not. No one can give a straight answer because they're aren't any. It sucks, but that's how it is. We just have to learn and adjust, learn and adjust. One day hopefully it will be figured out.
Great post! Thank you for sharing. I hope scientists figure this out once and for all.
I never had to take antidepressants, and my daughter has autism. In our case, it's definitely genetic. No question about that!
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I'm on meds, my happy pill. Just wanted to say Go fucking GO you for writing about your experiences with it - and that it doesn't fucking cause autism. Jaysus.
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I would have taken the meds if I needed them.

Do you really think they'll someday find out what actually causes Autism?

I have ZERO expectation that they'll ever find out what caused my son's birth defect. I doubt it was all that Peyote I did while pregnant with him though.

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My daughter's new doctor ran a study in "The Clean Room". They took kids with autism and had them live in a room for like two months or something. Completely contaminant free, to see if removing the environment would remove the autism. i guess the study concluded, and he has to write up the results. . . it didn't help the autism symptoms, he said. But it helped the kids with feeding disorders. . . for whatever that's worth. Anyway. . . to your point. . . nobody knows.
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