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Wednesday, March 30, 2011

I am at a loss (Relatively Serious Post)

Okay, I'll be honest with you guys: Sometimes... okay.... most of the time.... I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing with this parenting thing. It constantly amazes me that I'M responsible for keeping these little people alive and making sure they don't turn out to be serial killers. How the fuck did that happen? It's too much pressure sometimes, like I'll say or do one thing wrong and that will fuck them up for the rest of their lives. Whose idea was it to put me in charge??? Because I have no idea what I'm doing!!

Case in point: It seems like all Child 2 and I do these days is argue and bicker like an old married couple. But NOT like an old married couple because hubs and I ARE an old married couple and WE don't argue and bicker like this.

This morning he (Child 2, not hubs) tripped over my foot. It was simple: he was walking, did not see my foot, he tripped and fell on his ass. He then started screaming "You tripped me! Why did you move your foot on purpose so that I would fall down?" and the fucking tantrum just continued on and on with me trying to calmly explain that I did NOT trip him, that it was an accident, etc. etc. etc. It happened 2 minutes before we needed to leave for school, which is when all of these fucking things seem to happen, so I had to drag him out of the house and into the car, with him screaming and crying about how I tripped him and why do I hate him so much??

We got to school and, I fucking swear to god, it turned into "Why are you trying to kill me? You want to make me be dead!"

Seriously? What the fuck, kid? You think I want to fucking kill you? Dramatic much?????

He's hysterical and it's impossible to talk to him when he's like that because he won't stop screaming and yelling at me and no matter what I say he says he doesn't believe me ("I don't want to kill you" "YES YOU DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ME DEAD") and he can't hear me over his own screaming, anyway.

So, I manage somehow to get him out of the car and onto the school yard where he sees his friends and instantly becomes happy and starts playing and running around with them. When I see that he's calmed down I crouch down (OW MY KNEES) so we can have a conversation about it face to face. I explain that I'm sorry he fell down, I'm sorry he got hurt, I understand how frustrating that is, but it was an accident. He tripped over my foot and I was NOT trying to kill him.

He didn't fucking believe me! He started screaming and crying all over again!!

WTF????

Other than the paranoia he apparently now has about his inevitable murder at my hands, this is pretty typical for the kinds of interactions we've been having lately. 1. He fucking freaks out, 2. I try to remain calm and explain, 3. He doesn't believe me 4. I fucking freak out (#4 is sometimes optional).

Then I pick him up this afternoon and he immediately starts crying and screaming at me again. Why? WHY? So I emailed his teacher and asked if maybe he had been crying and screaming all day? Maybe something else is going on with him? Maybe he's getting sick or something? Maybe?

No. She responded that he "was fine all day today, he didn't seem sad or withdrawn at all. He didn't cry either." I knew she was going to say that.

I guess it's personal.  

Thanks

Can anybody recommend a book or something I can read? I feel like I'm totally at a loss here.

If only he had autism... THEN I would know what to do....



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My boys are apparently CUTE & FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC for everyone but me & hubby. For us, there is none of that - they are dramatic 24/7. It's ridiculous.
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Ack, I have no idea how you deal with that but sounds like you're being very calm and cool. Maybe throw yourself at his feet and accuse him of trying to make you look like a doofus by tripping you up. Lie on the floor a bit. Throw a massive tantrum.
Or it could just be a phase you have to bite your tongue and ignore for what feels like forever?
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Hmmm. I kind of like your throw a tantrum idea. THAT'LL learn him!
I've done it before! Sometimes it works!!!
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HateYouProbably · 730 weeks ago

What about the classic ignore? Just don't even feed into the dramatic bullshit? IDK. I am an idiot, don't listen to anything I say.
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Gosh that's tough. In similar situations with mine I've always used humour or said something ridiculous like: "If I was trying to kill you I'd do something better than tripping you up!" or probably just "yes dear" in a disinterested voice.

Or perhaps to agree that I was trying to kill her, of course I was, because she's the most important her to me in the world and I love her more than anything etc. With my eldest daughter denying it can make things worse so I usually agree and wait for her to see that it's ridiculous.
IDK Dude...He's 15 and I'm still having the same fucking problem. Try carrying him to the car when he weighs 200 pounds. Just realize ...it's not you! It's not your parenting. I have raised one (age 23) am still raising two. I only have this problem with one of them.
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What he seems to be saying to me is that he does not get enough of your time, and the time he gets is so "not quality" time that he's gone all drama on the killing me thing. Maybe just talking to him about missing time together like Rhonda suggests- even if it's just something around the house- this will pass. I think addressing the actual "kill" thing, though will just set him off again. Hope you figure it all out soon!!
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I've only got one autistic kid so I got nothin. Typical kids are a mystery to me. Audrey gets mad and melts down, but generally does not think that I'm trying to kill her.
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wow

that is horrible. I had a rage filled little girl for many years. She always took it out on me. For her? I learned to completely show no reaction to her when she did this. I would interact only with essential reasons and then in a monotone business like manner.

Distractions worked well too.

I don't know how to advise you, but to say maybe get child #2 into some counseling to deal with anger?

and to offer some hugs of support!!!!!!!

that is all
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Definitely sounds like attention seeking to me. Pay less attention to the tantrums and try do something nice with him that he likes doing daily. Good luck! X
So I'm pulling from all my fantastic NT kids and giving advice here. I agree with the whole ignore it and maybe its attention seeking. But seriously its just a phase, my daughter is like that. She's overly dramatic and makes me want to really kill her some days. The other day I told her she cudnt have any snacks till she cleaned her room and she screamed at me BUT IF I DNT EAT I'LL DIE! I just looked at her, looked at her dad and laughed to which she stormed off and cleaned her room.
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Wait- typical kids are fucked up, too? Dude, that fucking sucks.
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haha I've got a house full of them. Sometimes I even like to lock myself in the room with the only one I totally understand and wonder about the rest of my kids
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libby buttons · 730 weeks ago

Just throwing this out there; some research on siblings of special needs children. I was the sibling of a special needs brother. This had a profound effect on my childhood and my behavior to a large degree even though my parents did not recognize it. Just a thought. Hope it all works out soon!
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I've only got 2 autistic kids, but I'll give it a shot. My Aspie does this - he'll be utterly and completely pissed off at someone/something else, but take it out on one of us. Does your son have some other issue going on, maybe with a peer at school, and he's taking it out on you? Other than that, I've got nothing. My 9yo is dramatic like that too. My husband once said "If I wanted to kill you, you would've been dead by now." Probably not the best parenting technique, but the kid stopped saying we wished he was dead when we corrected his behavior.
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My husband said "Dude, if I wanted to kill you, you would be fucking DESTROYED."

Okay, he only said that to me and not actually to the kid.
I so wish I could help you.

But all 3 of mine are so weird.

I'm not poking fun, just telling you, they are.

I have my days, believe me....
well, here's the kicker--he's acting like this because he LOVES you. The fact that he's only doing it with you means he TRUSTS you enough to act like an asshole. I know that offers absolutely no comfort, but you can prolly bank it as fact.

couple things--is he growing? like hitting a growth spurt. My kid (even if he is an Autie) act like a complete ASS when he's about to sprout a few inches.

I agree with the others that he prolly needs some mom time--after he's calmed down of course. Classic ignore the bad, reward the good.

suggestion--throw a little more protein into his diet? Some kids need a protein kick to help with their moods.

and last suggestion: lock yourself in the bathroom with a fifth of tequila and wait for him to get over it. ;)

good luck soldier.
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Sometimes the only thing you can do is stay patient and try to endure. Just know that eventually they will grow out of their emotional diarrhea phase and like all things, this doesn't last forever. Not the most helpful I know, and I'm sorry. But my son is only 15 months old so I don't have a ton of good advice about older kids lol.

I can tell you however my aunt threatened to stab the balloon her kids were playing with and her 6 year old daughter went into a screaming crying fit about how her mom threatened to stab her and she just lost it. So I think it's just a kid thing in general, not a boy thing.
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Oh my Lord! Have you come to Ohio and kidnapped my daughter and turned her into a boy and made her your son? Because this so could be her!!!! I'm sorry, I had to laugh, I think ,out of relief that knowing she isn't the only one like this. I sometimes just ignore her (as if)! Sometimes I can sense that laughing will change the course of things, and she'll laugh too, but that's only sometimes. I wish I could help you. If you find a solution, please let me know. Please. Pretty please. Before she starts again.
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Kelli @ No. 7 · 730 weeks ago

How old? 5...6? I have a theory that it's hormonal. Doesn't matter if the kid is male or female. I think they all go through some weird hormonal phase at this stage of the game. My son flips out over the same shit, but thankfully as he nears the ripe old age of 7, he seems to be outgrowing this phase.
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Oh, great, so I've got at least another year of this?
I'd LOVE to say I have no idea what you're talking about... but I can't. My son was screaming and flailing on the ground about 10 minutes ago because his sauce to noodle ratio for his spaghetti was not to his liking. Sigh.
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Hey, Killer. I really liked Dawn's response. I agree whole-heartedly. Lucky you, your kid knows you really won't murder him, he trusts you, so he knows he can get away with this shit. Whatever treatment option you decide upon (ignore, address, whatev) you KNOW it is going to get worse before it gets better. Just the way it goes. Sorry about that.

The only books I could recommend would either be porn or alcohol supply catelogs. Maybe a two-in-one booklet? IDK. I need to drink now...in your honor...yeah...that's it! :)
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Ok, so this will win be NO mother of the year awards, but when my kids pull crap like that, I just agree with whatever they are saying. Then they shut up. You think I hate you? Ok, I do. You think I am the worst mother ever. I agree. Now, Ben hasn't done any you want to kill me stuff (although Katie has, but I just ignore it and walk away) so I am not sure if I would answer in the affirmative to that one, but I just don't make a big deal out of the shit they spew. I just put on a happy face, say have a nice day, and don't speak of it again. If you bring it up, it just gives them an in to start being jerky again. And the fact they CAN turn it off so quick...well, that makes me feel fine about either 1)agreeing or 2)completely ignoring it and not even attempting to talk about it. It's drama and so not real.
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Ok..I don't have any NTs either, and I'm not an NT, AND I don't play one on TV, but...when Coleman pulls this shit, I completely disengage. I will not talk to him while he's like that. But I also think, in your case it might be a good idea to get a book about being the sibling of an Aspie/Autie. They have a few good ones out there. Also, before I knew he was an Aspie I read a book called "Your 5 year old". I can't remember who it was by, but it explained a lot about early childhood development that I didn't know before.

And you know what? Even though he's not an Aspie, try what you'd do if it was Child 1 and see if it works. You never know! :shrug:

(((hugs))) He loves you. This will pass. I promise. :-)
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My kid was like that when he was Child 2's age. We couldn't even go in public with him.... a huge pain in the ass. He is still a huge pain in the ass.
But the drama peels off with age. Wait it out. And since there is no real cure for this, I think throwing a bigger tantrum about his tantrum was always fun... I can roll around on the ground and pound my fists with the best of them.
I wish they made parenting books that actually helped real-life situations such as these. It sounds like something is going on with your son. To me, he sounds pretty angry about something. Is it possible he's jealous about the attention you give the older kid? I'm just reaching for straws. But it's possible he's angry at you for something and doesn't know what it is. So, he picks stupid things like what happened this morning.
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So, I'm totally new here and should be the LAST person in the world to provide any rational parenting advice. However, I have found that the occasional tequila shooter, while impervious to stopping the drama, does take the edge off for Momma. People *think* I drink coffee all day out of my to go mug. Ahhhahahahaha!
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So I was thinking about starting my own blog when and started looking around at others when I came across yours :) . I am a mom of 3 kids myself 18 yo girl, 13 yo boy, and 7 yo girl. I also happen to work as a para for autistic children so I hear ya on all sides here. I do like the earlier posts on ignoring the behavior or saying something like " I am tired and am done with this discussion for now. We can discuss it again when we are both calmer." Tellig my children that I wont talk to them before they or I are calmer usually works and avoids the screaming and yelling matches (not always but usually lol). As far as books to help I highly recommend "Love and Logic" as an excellent resource. I have been using it (correctly) for several years now and it is great!! Good luck to you and know that we have all been here and are scared shitless lol.
Hi Jill! My youngest son is autistic and I am having/have always had major problems of attitude/stroppiness and downright awkwardness from my middle son. I think as mentioned above it is totally linked from the fact that totally unintentionally we do give a lot of our time and attention to autism and our autistic child. I think the best way I have found is to try to ignore the behaviour or deal with it calmly and unemotionally and then try really hard to find occassions when you can spend time alone with him or make sure you praise and make a fuss of them when something happens that is important to them or even try to put them first on occassions. It's not easy as I can picture my lovely little boy inside there just wanting some love from his mum but I am faced with a very stroppy teenager who can outstare me and say some horrible things!

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