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Saturday, October 1, 2011

How do I help him stand up for himself?

A little bit of background for those of you who aren't intimately familiar with my childrens' personalities (whatever): Child 1 is 9 and has autism. He is sweet and smart and mellow and kind and a little shy, even around us. Child 2 is 6 and does NOT. He is crazy smart, funny, feisty, adorable and very outgoing.

Child 2 is an excellent person to be helping Child 1 learn to socialize, because he's pushy and demanding (but in an awesome way, of course) and you have no choice but to be aware he is in the room; just in the past 6 months I've noticed a change in the way they interact and play together. It. Is. Awesome.  They have back and forth conversations,  one asks, the other answers, I don't have to do any prompting or even be in the room. LOVE. IT.

Whenever there's a turf or possession war, my first response is to say "don't talk to me, talk to him about it," for a number of reasons, but mainly because I want Child 1 to learn how to do these things without my help and there's no safer place for that than with his brother, in his own house.

HOWEVER! Now that they're interacting so much more (yay) I find myself constantly walking this line between trying to help Child 1 stand up for himself, and not showing any favoritism. For example, the other night C1 asked me to find him a flashlight so he could play with it. About 10 minutes later I see that C2 is playing with the flashlight. I asked him why he had it and he said "C1 said he was done with it." So I ask C1 if he was done with it and he said he was, but I know that wasn't true because I had hunted around the house for the damn thing at least as long as he had been playing with it. I sat down next to him and told him that he doesn't have to hand all his toys over whenever his brother asks for him, if he's not done he should say he's not done. He nodded; he understands this concept, but it's not what actually happens.

It felt weird telling one child, and the older one at that, that he needed to stand up to the other child. I can't make him be more assertive, but I know he still wanted the flashlight, even if he said he was done with it. And if Child 2 had heard that? Man he would have been pissed. He's already complaining about how C1 gets to do more stuff than he does (not really true; he's also very dramatic).

I hope I'm explaining this properly, I feel like it's just a crazy jumble of words, but how do I help Child 1 learn to stand up for himself, in this safe environment, without making Child 2 feel bad? Any suggestions are appreciated.....



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That's a tough one. I think what you've already done is lay the groundwork for him to understand that it is OK for him to stand up for himself. That seems important. And...I don't know...have you tried role playing? Just working out a bunch of scenarios...like giving him an arsenal for different ways to respond to these kinds of situations?
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I realize your situation is different than mine - 1 have 4 daughters, none with autism, but thought you should know - they all let the youngest one boss them around. We try to stop it (and point out what she's doing) when we catch her manipulating them - and a few times we have encouraged the sister who is right above her and most manipulated to stand up for herself. I don't feel like favoritism even plays into it - it's just correcting behavior, much as we would if one hit the other. If the situation were reversed and child 1 was constantly taking things away from child 2 you'd correct that behavior too.
In every family I know (and I know a lot!) I can't think of a situation where the older kids don't give in to the younger. My older kids even end up giving in to the younger kids of other families in the neighborhood (and we look at that as them being nice and considerate).
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Interesting. My mom always tell me that she used to tell my (older) brother "just hit her back if she hits you!" and my brother would say "But I can't hit my little sister." Then again, my brother was not autistic.
If you really think it is a problem due to the autism, I wonder if you could enlist the help of the younger son to create situations to allow him to practice being more assertive? I say that having considered that perhaps it would be different if it wasn't his little brother, but knowing you want the learning to happen in the safety of your family perhaps that's better than bringing an outsider in to challenge him. Thinking the younger one would understand the motivation, and you wouldn't have to worry about the favoritism aspect. I wouldn't even mention what you suspect the younger one has done, because he may not even realize it - he's only 6. Just ask for a favor now and then and don't make a big deal out of it. (thinking of my 5 year old and 8 or 10 year old as I write this...it seems feasible...)
I don't necessarily think it's a problem because of the autism, actually. Not everybody in the world is going to be good at being assertive and they don't all have autism. But I worry that he's going to go out into the world being sweet and kind and socially oblivious and he's going to get stomped for it, so I want him to at least learn HOW to do it, and here he shares his home with a perfect teacher (Child 2, that is... not me!) so I want to be able to take advantage of that, but not to the detriment of the other child. Does that make sense?
Totally makes sense, and follows what I was thinking...it's natural tendency (or at least a nice behavior we try to foster in our kids) to be considerate to the younger ones. And being able to pick your battles as child 1 may be doing will also be helpful later in life. You just want to make sure that's what he's doing!
maybe you can just continue to do what you're doing, by taking him aside privately or afterwards & talking to him about standing up for himself. those kinds of conversations are probably better done one on one anyway. and also privately talk to C2 about how everyone's different & we all have strengths & weaknesses & maybe alert him to his brothers challenges without making it seem like C1 is a charity case. you've probably already done that though.
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If you find the answer to this one, please let me know. I have almost 6 year old twins, one of which is on the autism spectrum, and a 3 year old daughter. My son Nate is like your oldest, shy and reserved, and his twin is overly dramatic and outgoing. They share very well almost all the time (one of the virtues of being twins, I think) But my little girl? She can be bossy and takes no prisoners. D has no trouble grabbing an adult and asking them to intervene if Addie nabs a toy or knock down a block tower, but Nate won't speak up for himself or get help (if one of us isn't within earshot or in the room). N loves to play with A because his brother is more active and noisy, and A will sit with him and do the quiet small motor things he prefers. Most of the time they play and share so well together it warms the cockles of my heart (whatever that means) But at least once a day, something happens like the flashlight thing you described, and it drives me CRAZY. I have told him to shout, grab it back, yell NO! whatever it takes...because she would probably drop the toy like a hot rock if he did. But he doesn't and for the life of me I can't get him to do it. I guess the best thing we can do is just to keep trying.
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I wish I had the answer, we are starting to have a lot of sibling issues as well, as my little ones get older and my oldest, sort of, does not. So hard to find a balance between being fair to the typical kids while giving the one with autism what they need.
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I haven't read the other comments, so I don't know if this has already been addressed. A real simple therapy technique is to teach the assertive approach in an even EASIER way than with his brother. How? You model the behavior to him and role play it, then have him practice it with you! Have him practice this at various times, with different things. After he's mastered it with you, then maybe he'll be more comfortable using the same techniques with his brother.

It's worth a try!
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I wish I had an answer. My boys do the same thing in reverse. My older son must.have.everything. the younger child is playing with. No matter that there's a 5 year age gap and many of the younger child's toys are what would be considered "baby" toys for a 10yo. The 4yo is touching them, so he must have them. I drives me to want tequila - often. Both of my kids are on the spectrum, so I'm not even sure that plays into it. I do know that if the younger child truly isn't done playing with the toy, the lack of communication skills does come into play and another toy or a fist gets hurled at the older child's head. Then I have to correct them both. Like your blog says - Yeah. Good Times.
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I have SO been there. I don't have an autistic child but I do have a shy older daughter and an extroverted 2nd daughter. And I find myself wanting to protect the OLDER child often. But I know that she's so sensitive and if I tell her she should do "xyz", she'll take it as criticism. So instead I ask her how she feels when Child 2 takes her stuff. Then we talk about it. And I ask her what she thinks she should do ...and she usually comes up with a pretty good answer. For what it's worth...
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My oldest is almost 8, with autism, younger one is 6 w/out autism. I have the opposite problem --he tries to control everything and fights to stay in control. Maybe we could stick all four of them in a room and see who comes out alive??? Seriously though, I wind up taking the role of a social skills teacher, teaching them to work it out and telling them what to say to each other to maintain the balance. It's not easy though...
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I think just as much as you want C1 to stand up for himself, you should also want C2 not to manipulate. You sat down with C1 to talk, but C2 needs a talking to as well, I think. I'm not saying he should be in trouble. BUT, C2 obviously knows he can get C1 do his bidding. So I just think they BOTH need to learn how to be fair and considerate.____HOW to do that? Well, I think I would tell C2 that I see what he does to C1 and I don't like it. And I would tell C2 exactly what you told him. I would explain to both of them that you need to treat people how you want them to treat you. So for C2, would he like it if C1 did the same thing to him?____That's all I got.
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Good suggestion
Is it? Or are you actually annoyed and trying not to go off on me? *ducking head*
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LOL! Don't duck! If I were annoyed I wouldn't have said anything :)
Modeling and teaching the kiddos examples of what to say and how to act are all you can do. It sounds like you are doing a pretty good job.
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Yeah, that is a tough one. My sister has the same issue with her son, who is a huge people pleaser. I don't really have any ideas, but I agree that modeling is a good way to start. Good luck!
I've had to spent way too much time teaching my son not to take advantage of his little sister. He is 6 years older and even at 16, at times takes advantage of his size and age over his kid sister. I would work on child 2. But, neither of mine are autistic.__
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